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I am quite hesitant about posting this here for fear it will be used against me, but I have decided it has to be done, and it has to be fixed ASAP, hopefully not too long into the regular season.

A lot of people might already know this, but some of the formations used by the offense have several plays that can go into action, while other formations are limited to just one play. For example, the goalline formation only produces a run, and the shotgun empty only produces pass plays. On the bright side, these formations are very specifically designed for either short-yardage runs or many passing options, and will remain effective to a decent degree even if the defense knows whats coming.


However, there is one formation- the weak offset I- which produces the same play every time (pitch right). As seen here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190731&pbp_id=279535

Not so bad? Very, very, very, very, very bad! Defensive coordinators can use this formation in their inputs for the AI, and any kind marginally smart DC can shut this play down nearly EVERY time. Watch:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=279063
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=280440
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=281114
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=281304
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=281322
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=190729&pbp_id=278087

Stacking the LB at WR2 and blitzing both guys out of the corner pretty much guarantees a quick stuff or TFL on the pitch. No scouting, no in-depth analysis required. The weak I always runs this play, exactly the same way- no multiple passing options, no multiple holes to hit. The only consistent solution a poor OC has is to outright eliminate the pitch from his playbook- NOT A GOOD SOLUTION.

In any kind of real football, at pretty much any level, the offense and the HB would look at the defense, and make a judgment to run in the other direction, down the middle, at the very least cut the sweep in earlier. It's not like the weak I is a particularly effective formation for the sweep right- the FB tends to pick up a random blocker in the middle, while the RG pulls only enough to pick up a DE/safety/LB coming in from downfield.


TBQH, for seriously, this needs a fix, soon. A DC shutting down this play is not playing the game, he's just gaming the system. All it takes is one run play, one pass play to be added to the weak I, this problem would largely disappear. Teams who badly need to stop the pitch can still use this defense, but there really needs to be some more balance. An even quicker solution for a busy Bort would be to just remove this formation-play entirely from the playbook, and force all pitch rights to come out of the standard I.

This kind of thing is going to ruin a lot of game potential throughout the season if it is not fixed- this game is already limited and I'm fine with that, but I don't like to completely lose a play just because a defense can abuse it.

Maybe it would of been better to send this through support instead of on the forum where everyone that doesn't already know about this now knows about this.

It's pretty common knowledge among OCs and DCs.

yes, everyone knows about this. It does need to be fixed though. I send a PM to support 7 days ago that hasn't been read yet. I don't think that is the answer. You have to post it on here so Bort sees. Bort also knows of these problems and was talking about adding new plays last season.

I don't think Bort should announce when he puts new plays in and puts a couple passes in from that formation. That would be hilarious.

I'm not sure support would help, I don't think Bort handles that anymore, the admins there are mostly just dealing with massive amounts of whine, multi-accounts, dirty pictures, name changes, gutted teams, etc...

This pretty much is already a problem at a lot of higher levels of play, and the season hasn't even started. The more visibility this gets, the less it will hurt active teams, and the faster it might get fixed, rather than getting lost in all the garbage that gets sent through the poor support system.

It's already damaging the game, I'd rather everybody knows and see a quick fix than chancing these problems to rot around for half a season while elitist teams abuse it to no end.

+100 to the OP and have been pointing this out to the team I GM for the past 2 weeks.

Originally posted by pestface
I'm not sure support would help, I don't think Bort handles that anymore, the admins there are mostly just dealing with massive amounts of whine, multi-accounts, dirty pictures, name changes, gutted teams, etc...

This pretty much is already a problem at a lot of higher levels of play, and the season hasn't even started. The more visibility this gets, the less it will hurt active teams, and the faster it might get fixed, rather than getting lost in all the garbage that gets sent through the poor support system.

It's already damaging the game, I'd rather everybody knows and see a quick fix than chancing these problems to rot around for half a season while elitist teams abuse it to no end.

I'm sure Bort knows about this. I'm sure a Mod has figured this out last season and left a message on the Mod's forum or PM Bort about it. I'm sure a lot of people have sent this to support and one of the messages was relayed to Bort. And lastly, Bort does all the coding. He definitely knows that that play is the only one in that formation. He's probably just stretched thin enough with other stuff with GLB, he hasn't yet put in other plays for that formation. Hopefully he has at least already started making plays to put in this season and they're just not ready yet.

Every good DC knew about this a long time ago. The offense needed more options for This season and we didn't get anything at all.

The Weak I should be taken out untill Bort decides to add more plays to the formation. It isn't fair to the offense since we can't decide what formations to run. WHen the AI decides to pick that play it is usually an instant 3 yard loss.

Originally posted by Derkin
Every good DC knew about this a long time ago. The offense needed more options for This season and we didn't get anything at all.

The Weak I should be taken out untill Bort decides to add more plays to the formation. It isn't fair to the offense since we can't decide what formations to run. WHen the AI decides to pick that play it is usually an instant 3 yard loss.

Not always. Players on the field still need to stop it even if the right defenses are called.

Edit: Not saying it shouldn't be fixed or that the majority of the time it doesn't work. Just saying that sometimes you still get lucky and your relieved that you did.

As I've said, the more visibility we have, the less unfair this kind of exploit will be and the faster it will get fixed.

+100000 to our GM OP!! I support this post with all my heart!

Originally posted by panther17
Originally posted by Derkin

Every good DC knew about this a long time ago. The offense needed more options for This season and we didn't get anything at all.

The Weak I should be taken out untill Bort decides to add more plays to the formation. It isn't fair to the offense since we can't decide what formations to run. WHen the AI decides to pick that play it is usually an instant 3 yard loss.

Not always. Players on the field still need to stop it even if the right defenses are called.

Edit: Not saying it shouldn't be fixed or that the majority of the time it doesn't work. Just saying that sometimes you still get lucky and your relieved that you did.

You are kidding right? I can tell you that the play goes nowhere 100% against my defense..

Yes, I would like to add some new plays, for this reason and also to have the ability to add more options to the offense AI.

Wasn't there a thread floating around soliciting new plays? If not, there should be.

I've got some in my email box from various users to look through as well.

I'm focusing mainly on fixing some of the problems with a few of the current plays first, and then I'll look at adding some more. Anyway, I can probably get some more put in within the first week or so of the season, as long as nothing majorly blows up.

The Bort is prowling the forums... oh what could he be up to 0 _ o