Originally posted by The Suthrner
Originally posted by Mob-6

All that matters is whether or not the No Activity bonus equals +1 skill points after 10 training sessions. That's it. Figure it out or QFT.

That's not what we're debating at all. Besides no need for that tone.

Originally posted by Oren74


Shopping - Equipment is weak compared to old stuff. Advancing the equipment just 1 pt seems pointless as you could just use the bonus tokens to increase an attribute by +2 and have two tokens left over.

Depending on the build the agent is trying to achieve there are two ways of spending bonus Points. If owner what to increase a capped skill it may be better to upgrade a piece of Advanced Equipment. If the skill is below the the second cap it may be better to buy 2 SP with 8 BT and still have 2BT left over.

Until you figure out which training is better and the long term benefits how can you even begin to compare it to something as convoluted in importance as Advance Equipment?

Anyway, this thread is about which training is better intense or normal in terms of skill generation, not equipment. Please start another thread, and quit derailing the topic. When you figure out the importance of advance equipment, come back and post in here.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by The Suthrner

Originally posted by Mob-6


All that matters is whether or not the No Activity bonus equals +1 skill points after 10 training sessions. That's it. Figure it out or QFT.

That's not what we're debating at all. Besides no need for that tone.

Originally posted by Oren74



Shopping - Equipment is weak compared to old stuff. Advancing the equipment just 1 pt seems pointless as you could just use the bonus tokens to increase an attribute by +2 and have two tokens left over.

Depending on the build the agent is trying to achieve there are two ways of spending bonus Points. If owner what to increase a capped skill it may be better to upgrade a piece of Advanced Equipment. If the skill is below the the second cap it may be better to buy 2 SP with 8 BT and still have 2BT left over.

Until you figure out which training is better and the long term benefits how can you even begin to compare it to something as convoluted in importance as Advance Equipment?

Anyway, this thread is about which training is better intense or normal in terms of skill generation, not equipment. Please start another thread, and quit derailing the topic. When you figure out the importance of advance equipment, come back and post in here.

Just trying to add to the discussion, which I did and thought I was contributing to the thread but looks like you guys aren't open to other opinions and I'm clearly not wanted so I'm out.

Originally posted by Seano
ALGEBRA WARNINGso the warning is that you're not very good at converting word problems into algebra? because it shouldnt be 8t, it should be 4t + 4t2 to account for the fact that you have to train for two different stats.

Originally posted by Mob-6
All that matters is whether or not the No Activity bonus equals +1 skill points after 10 training sessions. That's it. Figure it out or QFT.

That's not all that matters at all.

And based on the difference after 6 trainings, I would say it won't even be close to 1 SP after 10 trainings. Maybe around 25%.

Originally posted by Sao
Originally posted by FairForever

Originally posted by Oren74


train on intense. normal isn't worth it.

Use bonus tokens to bump attributes.

FYI for those algebraically challenged

What are YOU talking about?

Almost all my players are training normal right now, if you're curious. There are a few cases that I'm training intense, but won't go into detail at the moment

I may write about the topic in a week or so once I get a better grip and understanding.


I'm hoping all teams in Oceania AA4Z think like you do FF. Train on Normal guys! So much better! o_O

You haven't put much thought into it at all.

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by Sao

Originally posted by FairForever


Originally posted by Oren74



train on intense. normal isn't worth it.

Use bonus tokens to bump attributes.

FYI for those algebraically challenged

What are YOU talking about?

Almost all my players are training normal right now, if you're curious. There are a few cases that I'm training intense, but won't go into detail at the moment

I may write about the topic in a week or so once I get a better grip and understanding.


I'm hoping all teams in Oceania AA4Z think like you do FF. Train on Normal guys! So much better! o_O

You haven't put much thought into it at all.

I'm still a big fan of your CB! =D

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by Sao

Originally posted by FairForever


Originally posted by Oren74



train on intense. normal isn't worth it.

Use bonus tokens to bump attributes.

FYI for those algebraically challenged

What are YOU talking about?

Almost all my players are training normal right now, if you're curious. There are a few cases that I'm training intense, but won't go into detail at the moment

I may write about the topic in a week or so once I get a better grip and understanding.


I'm hoping all teams in Oceania AA4Z think like you do FF. Train on Normal guys! So much better! o_O

You haven't put much thought into it at all.

I've put ton of thought into it and proven his point multiple times. Of course, I'm glad to see that everyone is gong to waste their time and money on AdvEq anyway.

All my guys are training on intense. They all found great training combos they can work with and the lure of that extra SP every 4th training session is hard to ignore at the stage of my players development.

I get to complete the 3rd intense training session tomorrow and I'll have my extra SP before the end of the weekend.

Originally posted by nottom


I've put ton of thought into it and proven his point multiple times. Of course, I'm glad to see that everyone is gong to waste their time and money on AdvEq anyway.

I get what you're saying. The fact is, there are some extremely good pieces that have been picked up so far. Combine that with the fact that there is a good possibility they could get buffed further (equip upgrades up %s), and it's pretty clear-cut. While you don't want to start with a +1 equip, there are some great +3 equip pieces with a decent % to do something or a good SA. In my opinion, those are more than worth it, especially if you've pumped a lot of points into that SA.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you. There's a reason why a lot of very good teams have players on normal training.

Originally posted by xManning1018x
Originally posted by FairForever

Originally posted by Sao


Originally posted by FairForever



Originally posted by Oren74




train on intense. normal isn't worth it.

Use bonus tokens to bump attributes.

FYI for those algebraically challenged

What are YOU talking about?

Almost all my players are training normal right now, if you're curious. There are a few cases that I'm training intense, but won't go into detail at the moment

I may write about the topic in a week or so once I get a better grip and understanding.


I'm hoping all teams in Oceania AA4Z think like you do FF. Train on Normal guys! So much better! o_O

You haven't put much thought into it at all.

I'm still a big fan of your CB! =D

He's on intense training, since I'm too poor to afford any good equip on the team

OK, made some basic stuff ups in the original statements, and I probably should have pointed out what I was trying to achieve. The assumption was that at some point, one option would become more economical than the other, and I was trying to work out where that was. While SyedAshrafulla is (partially) correct in saying it should be 4t + 4t2, t2 has been assumed as t.


Nat Belmont's corrected formulae

20 training points on normal = 10t + 10x
20 training points on intense = 8t + 8b + 1sp

Taking x as sb (small bonus)

normal = 10t + 10sb
intense = 8t + 8b + 1sp

From data, sb = .05t, b = 0.29t

normal = 10.5t
intense = 10.4t + 1sp

So unless 1sp is equivilent to 0.1t, intense is the most economical way to train.

Assuming the algebra is right, the biggest variable is sb, the small bonus (only seen 1 example) and possibly the increased chances of breakthroughs for normal or intense.

As an afterthought, since normal has 10 training sessions to intences 8, it has a 25% greater chance of getting a breakthrough (assuming equal chance, per 20 training points)

Still more thinking to go into this one, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Oren74
train on intense. normal isn't worth it.

Use bonus tokens to bump attributes.

FYI for those algebraically challenged


Thank you for breaking it down.

Maths make head hurt.

Originally posted by FairForever


You haven't put much thought into it at all.

I actually agree with him.

At my levels I need multiple skill points to advance any stat that I want to train in. I've so far managed to purchase a couple very nice pieces of equipment for a couple p;layers that I will advance.

It cost me what 4 days of training on normal to pick up an item that at level 32, I wore last game, and it will only get better as I now train on intense.

PinTBC

The way I see it, if you're going with normal training now to find an awesome item, you're only going to be doing that until you have the item, then intense training for a couple seasons to upgrade it.

I'm fairly sure the new system was intended to be equal. That is, there is no 'best way' to do things; whether you're going for awesome upgraded advanced gear or as many bonus skill points as you can get, the end result should be roughly equal.

(Well, 'equal' depends a lot on how well you've planned your build, whether you're right about how much you need in certain attributes and special abilites, etc...)