Warrior General Games

a begin to an answer.

Originally posted by r8
This is what I posted on the test server FYI

Originally posted by Rate

Ok, so there's a huge stink going on now in the Bugs forum

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2914543&page=1

It boils down to this. These are two plays from a sim I ran specifically for this "Bug":

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1239&pbp_id=273728 - RI and LI, somebody has blown their assignment
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1239&pbp_id=273748 - FB stays back to block but man does not blitz

Basically, after a player makes a successful vision check to read that their man is staying in to block, they move on to cover someone else, usually whoever is closest to them at the time. However, in the DPC, the player is set to Blitz as the last option.

Now, I seem to remember you saying something about the DPC options only coming into effect before the play, and that they have no effect once the play has started.

If that is true, then I'm going to make the suggestion that you do make it count.

If that isn't true, then I think we have a legitimate bug on our hands, because these guys are definitely not blitzing once they read that their guy is not running his route.

ok so there has been rumor that the DPC is bugged when choosing someone to cover a man OR do something else.

so I ran a game this morning where my entire defense consists of 1 play on defense.

ROLB - Blitz Always
RILB - cover FB OR Blitz
LILB - cover HB OR Blitz
LOLB - cover TE OR Blitz

here is the play in my DPC for proof - http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/Robbnva/?action=view¤t=DPC.jpg

Here is copy of My DAI - http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/Robbnva/DefAI.jpg

now here are replays

RILB is supposed to cover FB OR blitz - not following DPC

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6316680
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6317305

LI covers the HB or blitz, RI covers the Fb or blitz

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6317376
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6317615 - RI blitzed but LI doesn't

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6318145 - works once
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6318299 - LI doesn't cover HB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6318880 - LI & LO not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6319845 - LI and RI not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6319905 - RI not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6320205 - RI not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6321489 - RI and LO not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6321581 - LO not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6321674 - RI not blitzing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=674360&pbp_id=6321729 - RI not blitzing

I can post more but this should be proof enough since it basically happens the entire game.

Yeah we have about 3 plays specifically for 1st and second down and in the 3rd quarter of the game, (with no specific 3rd quarter inputs) we had players doing their own thing. Something is wonky with the DPC or the AI.

I ran a lot of 2 wide sets and held back the tight end to pass block right. the hb and fb to pass block on 75% of pass plays. also ran them on routes sometimes for a variable.

Just want to double check, but it was the first ....hopefully, only play in the defensive AI correct? Because I've said that something is wrong with the AI and everyone always says it's user error.

Originally posted by mocfam10
Just want to double check, but it was the first ....hopefully, only play in the defensive AI correct? Because I've said that something is wrong with the AI and everyone always says it's user error.

yes it was the very first input. obviously with the downs 1-4 and 0-6 WR it was set to cover every possible input an offense could have

Originally posted by mocfam10
Just want to double check, but it was the first ....hopefully, only play in the defensive AI correct? Because I've said that something is wrong with the AI and everyone always says it's user error.

If it's user error, invite them to show you replays of it working? And how to fix it. because this is straight up as basic as it gets, and it's clearly not working as intended.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by mocfam10

Just want to double check, but it was the first ....hopefully, only play in the defensive AI correct? Because I've said that something is wrong with the AI and everyone always says it's user error.

If it's user error, invite them to show you replays of it working? And how to fix it. because this is straight up as basic as it gets, and it's clearly not working as intended.

Hey, I'm on your side. I'm just trying to keep the next 20 posts from those comments. Because that's always the first thing people will say.

BTW, I have access to several people and one one found the error. Because there wasn't one. And the thread just finally died off with no follow up.

I have noticed that the progressions are not working the way they did last season as well. I don't have the play link right now, but the same situation. My ROLB was set to cover FB, HB, TE, BLitz. The FB went out on a route and the ROLB blitzed.

Someone told me it was because of a vision check fail. Well, this happened 2 out of 2 times. The LB at hand has nearly 70 vision too. I don't buy the vision check excuse.

Who here has it work with no problems? I would like to see how many don't have the problem.

Originally posted by mocfam10
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by mocfam10


Just want to double check, but it was the first ....hopefully, only play in the defensive AI correct? Because I've said that something is wrong with the AI and everyone always says it's user error.

If it's user error, invite them to show you replays of it working? And how to fix it. because this is straight up as basic as it gets, and it's clearly not working as intended.

Hey, I'm on your side. I'm just trying to keep the next 20 posts from those comments. Because that's always the first thing people will say.

BTW, I have access to several people and one one found the error. Because there wasn't one. And the thread just finally died off with no follow up.

Oh That anger wasn't pointed towards you! It was pointed towards the trolls that say it's user or build error. That's the answer to everything. I know how to play the game well enough to know this isn't user error.

ANd this isn't "official" till we get it stamped by a notorary republican

Originally posted by UnderDogs
ANd this isn't "official" till we get it stamped by a notorary republican

your condescending comment failed

every forum I go to, UnderDogs is a total asshole.

/observation

this looks like the OR <do whatever> feature isn't working right like you claim however it could in some cases be the result of a good vision check where your player realizes it's actually not wise to do the OR feature in your case blitz and he either drops into coverage to cover an open receiver or he reacts to where the QB is going to pass.

but i agree there still needs to be a way to FORCE a player to blitz no matter what his vision check says if you want to FORCE him to blitz there needs to be that option.

Originally posted by Mordaloch
this looks like the OR <do whatever> feature isn't working right like you claim however it could in some cases be the result of a good vision check where your player realizes it's actually not wise to do the OR feature in your case blitz and he either drops into coverage to cover an open receiver or he reacts to where the QB is going to pass.

but i agree there still needs to be a way to FORCE a player to blitz no matter what his vision check says if you want to FORCE him to blitz there needs to be that option.

but the player should not have that opportunity, he is being told 2 specific assignments, ignoring it should not be an option

cover the TE OR blitz is all he should be allowed to do regardless of the outcome of the play

especially in some of those replays where they are standing around with their thumbs up their butt

Please understand football. If the FB is blocking then the LB would not waste time covering him. He would not blitz either because of a vision check.

Originally posted by AlwaysAnEagle
Please understand football. If the FB is blocking then the LB would not waste time covering him. He would not blitz either because of a vision check.

I take it you've never played a team sport in your life. You run the called play, if the coach wanted you to cover the FB or drop into Zone then that would have been the call. In this case it is cover or Blitz.

You run the play that is called. Anyone here who's actually played a team sport will vouch for the number of laps they got to run because they decided to "think" for themselves.