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Q1. Does Tackling Style (wrap-up, balance, power) have any affect on knocking passes loose?
A1: Yes, style does affect KL.
Q2. Would VA's like Power Tackle, Rip da Ball, or Sure Tackler have any effect on knocking passes loose?
A2: Yes, just like w/ tackling setting, anything that increase the hit on the player will affect your ability to knock a pass loose.
Q3. Would SA's like Wrap-up, Monster Hit, or Big Hit have any effect on knocking passes loose?
A3: Maybe, just like w/ tackling setting, anything that increase the hit on the player will affect your ability to knock a pass loose.
Q4: What skill effect KL more Strength or Tackling (imthescientist)
Q5: Does force fumble % AEQ help knocked looses (monsterkill)
A5: Yes
Q6: Does anti fumble % AEQ protect against knocked looses (knocked leese?) (monsterkill)
A6: Yes, but anti KL would work better
Q7: Do demoralizing SAs (like Growl or Snarl) affect KL? If so, how? (SikoraP13).
A7: We can assume these affect KL like demoralizing affects anything else in the game...
Q8: Does Cover Up SA have any affect in preventing knocked loose passes? (Larry Roadgrader)
A8: Yes, but anti KL would work better
As always, looking more for definitive/official yes/no than explanations or debates.

Edit
I will be continuously adding new questions and answers to the OP as posters post them.

Originally posted by timthorn

As always, looking more for definitive/official yes/no than explanations or debates.

You realize this is glb, right?

Originally posted by timthorn

Q2. Would VA's Rip da Ball, have any effect on knocking passes loose?


No.

Originally posted by timthorn
Originally posted by Bort

knock loose is separate from the catching system; it's more part of the tackling system.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3129896&page=8#27005155

I was thinking about this line and thought of a few questions I could not find definitive answers for:

Q1. Does Tackling Style (wrap-up, balance, power) have any affect on knocking passes loose?
Q2. Would VA's like Power Tackle, Rip da Ball, or Sure Tackler have any effect on knocking passes loose?
Q3. Would SA's like Wrap-up, Monster Hit, or Big Hit have any effect on knocking passes loose?

As always, looking more for definitive/official yes/no than explanations or debates.

One other question I would like answered is .... which skill affects Knocked Loose more....strength, or tackling?

Yeah, I think they expect us to figure this out ourselves.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by timthorn

Originally posted by Bort


knock loose is separate from the catching system; it's more part of the tackling system.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3129896&page=8#27005155

I was thinking about this line and thought of a few questions I could not find definitive answers for:

Q1. Does Tackling Style (wrap-up, balance, power) have any affect on knocking passes loose?
Q2. Would VA's like Power Tackle, Rip da Ball, or Sure Tackler have any effect on knocking passes loose?
Q3. Would SA's like Wrap-up, Monster Hit, or Big Hit have any effect on knocking passes loose?

As always, looking more for definitive/official yes/no than explanations or debates.

One other question I would like answered is .... which skill affects Knocked Loose more....strength, or tackling?

From my own experience, I'd tend to say strength.

Cassius Clay

Originally posted by taurran
Originally posted by ImTheScientist

Originally posted by timthorn


Originally posted by Bort



knock loose is separate from the catching system; it's more part of the tackling system.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3129896&page=8#27005155

I was thinking about this line and thought of a few questions I could not find definitive answers for:

Q1. Does Tackling Style (wrap-up, balance, power) have any affect on knocking passes loose?
Q2. Would VA's like Power Tackle, Rip da Ball, or Sure Tackler have any effect on knocking passes loose?
Q3. Would SA's like Wrap-up, Monster Hit, or Big Hit have any effect on knocking passes loose?

As always, looking more for definitive/official yes/no than explanations or debates.

One other question I would like answered is .... which skill affects Knocked Loose more....strength, or tackling?

From my own experience, I'd tend to say strength.

That is where it gets interesting. We have bort on record as saying if people move towards having 100 tackling FF's would increase. If KL is anything like the FF, then both are very important.
Originally posted by Bort


I wouldn't mind seeing a few more fumbles overall, tbh, especially since a lot of people have gimpy carrying ability. I don't think right now is the best time to toy with it though, because honestly I think if more defenders had higher tackling skill (and I don't mean ~50), we'd see more fumbles anyway. That would be the point to getting tackling skill near 100, imo.

addendum
Q4: does force fumble % AEQ help knocked looses
Q5: does anti fumble % AEQ protect against knocked looses (knocked leese?)

I dont doubt Tackling is part of the roll. When I increased Strength on my players they seemed to increase in KL frequency. That's all.

Strength seems to have the biggest effect I've seen on it, strength and carrying. But I haven't seen anybody vary tackling and compare, at least nobody who was in coverage a lot.

None of this is official, just my understanding from observations and forum browsing:

My understanding is that "Knocked loose" is a tackling roll made during a specific window after the catch. Knocking it loose is obviously much easier than the threshold for forcing a fumble, but I personally suspect it works very much the same way - contested roll over a certain threshold == Knocked Loose. If you miss the tackle completely, you get a missed tackle. Otherwise, you just tackle them.
This is why sometimes you see a missed tackle and then a knocked loose - the second tackle attempt was still within the "knocked loose" window, even though the first missed.

So, anything that raises your tackle roll will increase your knocked loose. Anything that contests a tackling roll will help prevent knocked loose. You're not going to get official word on what stats are the most important in that roll, I don't think.

I thought Bort's said that it's not a forced fumble attempt, so any forced fumble/avoid fumble eq doesn't help - those probably just adjust the threshold value for a fumble, which this isn't.

Since I've seen anti-tackle SAs fire on a missed tackle followed by a knocked loose - missed tackle by CB SPIN knocked loose by LB or whatever - I suspect that the "don't get tackled" SAs are in effect during the knocked loose tackle roll, and by extension, so are the don't get tackled VAs. However anything specific to "fumble" or "avoid fumble" is likely not active.

Addendum: Is KL affected by morale? In other words, do demoralizing SAs like Growl or Snarl affect KL? If so, how?

I'd guess that it is affected by overall morale at least, but would like to know if the SA's have any effect.

Tackling to 100 would be nice, but that player would lack the other skills necessary to be able to get to the ball carrier most of the time. If str/tck on a defender is greater than str/carr for the ball carrier (more weight towards the latter for both), the odds should be increased a by quite bit for fumbles, but expecting people to go 100 tackling is unrealistic.

Edit: and yes, of course you have to factor in VAs and SAs in there but the point is the same. I think we cater to the offense way too much in this game sometimes.

Nice to see other have similar concerns. the OP has been updated with the newer questions.