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The HB will just NOT run to the weakside. They either run straight to the strongside, or start out running to the strong side and cut it back weak. 90% of the time when they get the handoff they are running to the strong side though.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14348888 - starts out running strongside then cuts it back to the weakside
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14349257 - same thing...strongside then cuts it back
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14349314
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14349425
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14340741
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14340966
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14341272
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14342221
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14343348
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14344511
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979957&pbp_id=13396364
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979957&pbp_id=13397172
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979957&pbp_id=13401454

This happens with our speed backs, elusive backs, power backs, AND combo backs.

For arguments sake, it doesn't happen EVERY Blast, but a good 90% of them I saw had the HBs going the wrong way. Here's one where they actually ran to the weakside:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979957&pbp_id=13398060

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=919258&pbp_id=13842035

From my experience, it depends on the Vision of the RB.

But honestly, I don't think the pathing is messed up at all, it is one of my favorite plays.

Yeah I could be wrong

I only really watch Lincoln replays, so that's the only place I've really seen it. 90% of them have gone to the strongside though from what I've seen in the past few (real life) weeks.

The reason I thought it was more likely a bug than the builds is because ALL of our HBs are doing it, and they all have very different builds.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Yeah I could be wrong

I only really watch Lincoln replays, so that's the only place I've really seen it. 90% of them have gone to the strongside though from what I've seen in the past few (real life) weeks.

The reason I thought it was more likely a bug than the builds is because ALL of our HBs are doing it, and they all have very different builds.

What about Vision though?

If you want to shoot me a PM, I could be a bit more specific about the builds that I've seen have success with it.

Between our HBs, we have around a 10 point range in vision. Nobody has low vision, and nobody has terribly high vision. Still though, I never see any other inside run plays affected by vision, so that's why it seems so weird to me.

Like I said it does go weakside every once in awhile but the majority of the time, it goes strong.

I have seen the same thing. I also see it on the Proform Dive play.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=918767&pbp_id=12704522
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=918767&pbp_id=12706132
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=918746&pbp_id=13660046
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=918746&pbp_id=13661030

I'll let another Bugs Mod deal with this one because my natural inclination is "not a bug, locking thread" but I don't want to be so hasty so I'll see what others think.

That's 13 examples from one game and a few drives from another game (not even 2 full games) of the HB running to the wrong side as soon as he receives the handoff and your natural inclination is it's not a bug? They're not cutting it back to the strong side, they are running straight to the strong side as soon as the ball is handed off and then occasionally "cutting it back" to the intended side of the run.

Some may argue vision, but how often do you see a HB run the wrong direction from the handoff on a Strong I Slam, I Slam, Weak I Slam, Off-tackle, SB Dive, etc, etc etc.

Also this is the first season I saw anything like this, and I've seen this play run hundreds of times with HBs with all kinds of vision.

they always start off to the weak side and make moves to the strong side after receiving the hand off. I don't think it's the play definition itself, I think it's something else causing them to cut back - whether that be the OL changes Bort has made or some other change. I also don't think we want RB's just forcing themselves through a hole because "that's what the play tells them to do." It's also a different type of play then the plays you listed - the Slam plays have the FB moving outwards a bit before cutting into the line, the Blast has the FB moving in a nearly straight line which might be causing the HB reaction (SB Dive doesn't have a FB lead blocking). It's also not like the play is failing - it's a pretty good gainer a number of times (including some of the plays you linked), so the issue is certainly not one that is game breaking and one that would make sense for Bort to look at over more pressing issues that need resolution.

Like I said, my natural inclination is it's not a bug but because of the number of examples you listed, I didn't lock it and will let someone else take a look. If they think it's worthy of Bort's attention (I don't think it is), then they can take it to him.

Originally posted by thehazyone
they always start off to the weak side and make moves to the strong side after receiving the hand off. I don't think it's the play definition itself, I think it's something else causing them to cut back - whether that be the OL changes Bort has made or some other change. I also don't think we want RB's just forcing themselves through a hole because "that's what the play tells them to do." It's also a different type of play then the plays you listed - the Slam plays have the FB moving outwards a bit before cutting into the line, the Blast has the FB moving in a nearly straight line which might be causing the HB reaction (SB Dive doesn't have a FB lead blocking). It's also not like the play is failing - it's a pretty good gainer a number of times (including some of the plays you linked), so the issue is certainly not one that is game breaking and one that would make sense for Bort to look at over more pressing issues that need resolution.

Like I said, my natural inclination is it's not a bug but because of the number of examples you listed, I didn't lock it and will let someone else take a look. If they think it's worthy of Bort's attention (I don't think it is), then they can take it to him.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's the biggest bug or anything but even from what you said, it seems like it is unintended, which constitutes a bug, does it not?

Also the play is gaining at times but the whole running to the wrong side thing is having negative effects at well:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14349314 - imo would've gotten the first down had he followed the intended play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14340741 - again would've been much better if he followed his blockers
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14341272 - arguably would've been a TD
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979895&pbp_id=14343348 - this one is really bad...would've EASILY been a 1st down

So while I don't think it's the biggest bug, it IS having negative effects, especially if the OC sees weaknesses in the weakside of a defense, and the play doesn't go where it's intended to go.

Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by thehazyone



So while I don't think it's the biggest bug, it IS having negative effects, especially if the OC sees weaknesses in the weakside of a defense, and the play doesn't go where it's intended to go.

BINGO!!!

even the smallest bug is a bug, but good luck getting that point across to $$$BORT$$$

I can provide many good examples of the RBs going throw the designated hole, but only before Dec 28th. I do agree that this specific play need to be corrected, since the RBs cut to the strong side too willingly and sometimes when an outside cutback is much better or no cutback is needed.

From my most recent game:


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14442538
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14442581
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14442684
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14442856
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14445751
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=983530&pbp_id=14445831

I think your backs have too much vision. lawl

fwiw, I've posted this on the test server to get Bort's take.

I've always had trouble with this play...I call it the curveball play.