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Did anyone else seen this kind of behavior from a FB (vis 63)

Case 1)
No reason for a FB to run pass a possible tackler like that.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002711&pbp_id=1198021 - Even if the TE was going to make a block, the field was just too empty to do anything else. By the way the Blocking by the OL(+TE) is silly here.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002711&pbp_id=1198776 - maybe in this one the FB saw the LG taking the MLB

Case 2)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002711&pbp_id=1198756
What is the FB doing ? pass blocking ? run blocking ? preparing coffee ?

- The play is TE Short Out, w/ the default progression
- The FB is set to run route (play default)
- The QB is allowed to audible the FB to stay and block

Case 3)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002711&pbp_id=1198767
This is another example of
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3736796
Please look on the level diff the offense has, there was no broken block by the OL to generate this.

Edit: just noticed the score diff, maybe it is cruise control (when does it starts ?)

FBs (I believe) are on a man-blocking scheme. They should be on an "assignment" blocking scheme. Get to point A (the appropriate hole) hit first other colored jersey in front of you unless they are on the ground. That's how usual FB pathing works. No FBs look downfield for a FS on a lead block. Your HB has moves and or strength to deal with him. The FB just needs to get you to the second level.

It would be interesting to see the dots in 3D. I'd love to watch a FB "see" where the FS while running through the trenches.

They talked about this here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3736796&page=1

The pathing/logic may be a little wonky.
Cruise control starts at 60 points.

For case 1: Generally they try to block the closest unengaged blocker, and if there isn't one around they try to get out ahead of the back to get anyone that comes up.

Case 2: It seemed to me like the FB was going to block the nearest player when the QB started his throwing motion, which took a while.

Case 3: I'm not sure, lol.

Those are just my opinions.

i dont think FBs are supposed to double team, so the 1st 2 look ok. but the 3rd seems strange if thats the case

Cruise control or not, some of the blocking definitely needs to be addressed. In your first replay, there's no reason for the TE to loop around the RT to block the SAM. In the second replay, the FB should still probably just hammer the MIKE since it's a short field. The FS wasn't really a threat. Neither one is really a bug since the sim is working as intended, but the actual intentions of the sim might need to get looked at.

Case 2 seems like an example of the chip blocking that was added Dec 15, 2009. It's just a really bad decision by the FB to leave his route at that point, since he was open as a check-down and the QB wasn't being hurried. More buggy than the first case, but probably a result of Vision being hurt by the cruise control.

Case 3 does seem a little buggy. It could be that the FB was knocked backwards while making the block, but it looks like he actually tried to move back and block the NT.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i dont think FBs are supposed to double team

So does chipping only apply on passing plays? Based on the Changelog I'm guessing that's the case, but I'd like some clarification. Because IRL chipping happens a lot on running plays, perhaps even more than in passing plays.

Here are some more bad FB pathing (vis = 63)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3736796

It is still possible that the conclusion of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3736796 is correct, i.e an isolated failed vision check. I personally think that with vision at 63 they are suppose to be rare (and they seems to happen more often then not), but maybe we should change the way FB are build. It will be nice to get an official answer "need more vision" if this is so.

by the way, I love the correction to the I-blast, the HB make a smart cut.

Originally posted by Squab

For case 1: Generally they try to block the closest unengaged blocker, and if there isn't one around they try to get out ahead of the back to get anyone that comes up.

Case 2: It seemed to me like the FB was going to block the nearest player when the QB started his throwing motion, which took a while.

Case 3: I'm not sure, lol.




These are pretty close IMO.

Case 1 first play. FB saw TE had the LB, so he went to next level.
Case 1 second play. Can't tell if the OL or the FB get to the LB first, but obviously he's taken care of so the other goes to the next level.
Case 2. Saw the RE coming in unengaged (yes the tackle was there ready for him), so he went to chip
Case 3. Really a case of the closest unengaged man. Logic (and vision - can't really see behind you right?) should say the closest guy in front of you.

Originally posted by tragula

It is still possible that the conclusion of http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3736796 is correct, i.e an isolated failed vision check. I personally think that with vision at 63 they are suppose to be rare (and they seems to happen more often then not), but maybe we should change the way FB are build. It will be nice to get an official answer "need more vision" if this is so.



There's only so much Vision can be blamed for right

3rd case, most likely is due to having high vision - I mean how else can you explain finding a guy to block behind you?

Here is another one
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1000975&pbp_id=1458018
the FB has equal speed to the HB and there is no VA helping the HB here.

Originally posted by Eamz
There's only so much Vision can be blamed for right
I have no problem with FBs needing vision over 70 to do well. I am just stating that at 63 they are making bad decision on a considerable amount of the plays (around 50% )

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i dont think FBs are supposed to double team, so the 1st 2 look ok. but the 3rd seems strange if thats the case
If this is true and cannot be handled as a bug, I will be happy to make a suggestion to change that (and see it disappear down the pages) - mod input please.

Originally posted by tragula

If this is true and cannot be handled as a bug, I will be happy to make a suggestion to change that (and see it disappear down the pages) - mod input please.



i'm not totally positive. but it makes sense or the FB would always try to double team at LOS

I also think its LIKELY NOT A BUG, I'll move it to the NEEDS QA DETERMINATION thread and get catch's ruling on it.

Originally posted by Thunder66
I also think its LIKELY NOT A BUG, I'll move it to the NEEDS QA DETERMINATION thread and get catch's ruling on it.

Make sense. Just note that not all examples where "FB not double teaming".

Here are some more examples (I have no clue about the builds):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001063&pbp_id=1425278 - did the ROLB shed the block or the FB just ignored him ?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001063&pbp_id=1428744 - double team on the NT is not enough ?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001087&pbp_id=1433563 - a little bit stoned imo
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001087&pbp_id=1433833 - confused ?


Here is a good block example, just for the chance of pace
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001087&pbp_id=1434524

More examples from a duplicate thread

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3746923&page=1#33103167