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Here's the setup...
-OLB's are set to "Under Third Zones Immediately"
-ILB's are set to "Flat Third Zones Immediately"

some replays:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1627761 ---OLB doesn't zone immediately and ILOB stops all of a sudden
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1628183 ---same thing with the OLB not zoning immediately...not sure what to think about the ILB and the flat zone here, but if he would slam hard to that zone without what i see as reading the runner and taking another angle he would actually have a better chance of making the tackle if he would just attack the zone IMO...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1628912 ---now the OLB makes proper movement to his zone but both of the ILB's neglect the "Zone Immediately" to the flat third zones
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1631734 ---LILB is the only LB that immediately zones


one drive replys: these seemed odd cus the RILB zoned immediately but doesn't have the common sense to realize the runner is attacking his zone and stops or something along those lines??
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1632268
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1632364
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1632473
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1632544 ---last one of that drive and he doesn't zone immediately and i won't even get into the stiff arm or whatever the QB threw on the LB lol



http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1632909 ---ROLB only one immediatly zoning
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1633136 ---still feel if the RILB hits his zone harder he gives the rusher issues
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1634027 ---same on the right side rushes
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1002844&pbp_id=1634049 ---and again

QB is not on my team but luckily his build is open http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1151505
not that the QB's build is that important since we are talking about the Zone Immediately change and gameplay of that alone...

ok...so am i right to think this is a bug or is it working as intended or are we just taking our sweet time replying to this?

am i going to get some kind of response from any MOd????

i realize that this is a gameplay issue and takes a back seat to the important things like, blocked players speeding up, doubling trade offers and every other one example so-called bugs, but it would be nice to get some kind of response on this issue since LB's in zones have been, one an issue for MANY seasons now and two since Bort just incorporated the zone immediately to the game play...

I noticed a similar problem. I set the ROLB to zone immediate weak flat and he only blindly went to his spot on plays that were not going his direction. On plays that went his way he froze like a chump.

Worked on an inside run.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157046

Worked on a strong side pitch
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157307

Did not work on an inside play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157889
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159128
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159950

This is the play in question. It did not work as described in the perfect situation. The ROLB stopped to read the play instead of immediately running to the flat.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2158529
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159977

Here is the play vs the pass. The only two players set to zone immediate are the SS and ROLB.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159926

On a lot of these, it almost feels as if the player is moving to the zone but, as they move there, someone enters the zone and they instead start to give chase. Personal guess on the RILB problem ones is that the RILB is moving to his zone, sees the runner, tries to move to him and gets blocked near immediately. Of course, that doesn't explain the other funky LB behavior, since they aren't heading to zones at all.

I'm not 100% sure on what to call this one, but I'm going to mark it as a possible bug since stuff definitely seems off.

Originally posted by AngryDragon
I noticed a similar problem. I set the ROLB to zone immediate weak flat and he only blindly went to his spot on plays that were not going his direction. On plays that went his way he froze like a chump.

Worked on an inside run.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157046

Worked on a strong side pitch
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157307

Did not work on an inside play
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2157889
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159128
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159950

This is the play in question. It did not work as described in the perfect situation. The ROLB stopped to read the play instead of immediately running to the flat.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2158529
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159977

Here is the play vs the pass. The only two players set to zone immediate are the SS and ROLB.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1001600&pbp_id=2159926

"Working as intended" - Bort
Originally posted by Bort
He's not wandering. He's watching the HB and waiting for him to get the ball, since he sniffed the play before it started.

ok..you're getting better at this deathblade but i am still missing the thread this came from in which the quote from Bort refers to..

..in my eyes this could be a qoute from a different subject all together or even a false quote lol...simple typing ""Working as intended" - Bort" just doesn't do it for me...

from the website changlelog: Jan.30th 2010 --- http://goallineblitz.com/changelog.html

- Add option for "zone immediate" to DPC which tells players to rush to their zone as quickly as possible without reading the play

this tells me that the player who is identified in a "zone immediate" should have no read on the play in pursuit to his zone. which means he should not even flinch in another way until he reaches that zone..in all of these replay's there is a clear and present pause by LB's who have the "zone immediate" assigned to them...

Originally posted by Deathblade


"Working as intended" - Bort
Originally posted by Bort

He's not wandering. He's watching the HB and waiting for him to get the ball, since he sniffed the play before it started.

well, then what is the point in zone immediate? It has no value to me this way. Maybe other DCs can find a use for it but I am done with it for now.

EDIT:

As I see it. Zone immediate only sends a player out of position on a play that runs away form his zone and stalls a player on a play that goes his direction. That sucks.

If I send my player to a flat zone under the zone immediate I want him to blindly run to that spot no matter what. The point is to steer the play as a defender not to react to the play. All the other zones can react. I want the HB to react to the defender not the defender to react to the HB. At least that is how I imagined zone immediate working. I guess I was way off on this.

I mean Bort just made a crappier zone setting than what we already had. What exactly was the point?

Originally posted by Bort
If the player makes a pre-snap read that it's a run, he can still make the play on the RB. He's not going to run off to his zone if he knows the play is a run.

Closing as not a bug.

Talked with Bort a bit - think we've convinced him to make it to where if Zone Immediate is chosen that it will override pre-snap reads. Just thought I'd provide that small update.

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