did you consider adding some 'natural abilities'?


like maybe a 'hard hitter' LB gets a natural +5% force fumble (5% is made up - I'm thinking something meaningful but not overpowered)

man to man CB could get 5% INT


some things to further differentiate the archetypes beyond just the major/minor skills (which will certainly make a huge difference...bigger for some positions than others)

Originally posted by Catch22
Because there was no combo option that we could come up with that would not have made it better than the two other choices (we discussed this one quite a bit).

Why only 200 flex point special teamers? Honestly, because if we allowed the players that were only 100 flex those would be the only ones ever made. Most positions are 200 flex anyway, so this allows for most players to get that archetype.

what about an odd number 150 flex?

Are the special teamer only players going to be able to be mentors someday?

Originally posted by Catch22

5) The bonus and penalties to SA's are applied as a flat percentage increase to the SA. That percentage will not be revealed but it will be large enough to have a significant impact for that archetype. Just as an example, let's say the percentage is 20% and you are an Elusive Back who gets a bonus to Head Fake/Juke and a penalty to Lower Shoulder/Power Thru. If you have 10 in Head Fake, the bonus will make it in essence a 12 in Head Fake. If you have 10 in Power Through, the penalty will make it in essence a 8 in Power Through. Understand that the bonuses/penalties could vary in their percentage depending upon the archetype.


I've had a little too much to drink so I hope this makes sense, but...

Since no one but Bort knows how the SA's work it seems to me that there needs to be a more transparent mechanism for people to see how/why the SA's fire/don't fire. If I remember correctly it took MANY seasons and MANY hours of arguments about whether certain SA's were working and now we are adding bonuses/penalties that are different for each archetype in each position. Could be iffy in terms of testing and confirmation that bonus/penalties are working as intended.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea and I think it is long overdue, but some how players need to have better ideas about how SA's work if this system is to succeed. IMO of course.

Originally posted by wchs63
Not a fan.. It will eventually make us choose the direction and there is no turning back or changing the build... Just another apporach to make us spend more money because a lot of people will butcher their players and want to start anew....

Yes because power backs all of the sudden become elusive backs halfway through their career and 300 pound run stuffing DE's all of a sudden become speed rushers. This will force people to be more focused on the types of builds they want. And there's nothing saying you can't choose a particular archetype and build your player differently within that archetype, you just need to be aware of how the gains/penalties/bonuses for that archetype work.

Is this going to get voted on?

Originally posted by Catch22
It's a game based on a random number generator and probabilities, so the answer to that question will always be yes. There are things you can do to increase your chance of success though through player development.

Glad to hear it. Thanks.

Originally posted by cbothe
As of right now i'd much rather not worry about player building and fix things in the actual game ai...we just got this new system to try out that could help make builds alot different and already we are changing it....I don't mind the new change, but switching to a whole brand new system I would hope i could withdraw flex if thats done. Thats not what i paid for and when i bought my flex it wasn't even mentioned in a future thing coming on glb.

You can keep your current players as is if you don't like the system. This is only for new players with an OPTION to choose it if you are a veteran player.

Originally posted by Pwned IRL
Is this going to get voted on?

Yes. Bort gets all votes, though.

anyone studly with the player builder willing to spend a couple minutes showing us schmoes some 'before and after' looks at some of these positions?

Originally posted by wchs63
Not a fan.. It will eventually make us choose the direction and there is no turning back or changing the build... Just another apporach to make us spend more money because a lot of people will butcher their players and want to start anew....

And this differs from the current system, how?

The only thing I don't understand is "special teamer only" players...

Does this mean no centers/g/ot's are eligible to play special teams after s14?

I like it.

Originally posted by Catch22
You can keep your current players as is if you don't like the system. This is only for new players with an OPTION to choose it if you are a veteran player.

what exactly are the benefits for older players to convert?