like pummel and some of the others, how do we know if they are worth anything without seeing tests

take their word for it mwuaahahahahahaha

Catch tested them all for effectiveness. Everyone is on level ground here, though. Pretend it's S1 or something.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Catch tested them all for effectiveness. Everyone is on level ground here, though. Pretend it's S1 or something.

oh great!

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Catch tested them all for effectiveness. Everyone is on level ground here, though. Pretend it's S1 or something.

You mean spend all our points in SA's

Originally posted by Robbnva
like pummel and some of the others, how do we know if they are worth anything without seeing tests

There are no visible tests of SAs. The testers aren't allowed to do such tests, and Catch is doing all of the SA balancing/testing "behind closed doors", if you will. The reason for that is that if we are allowed to see these results, we'll have a much better understanding of which SAs do what, how effective certain number of points could be, and we'd get an unfair advantage in knowing more than the average user about the specifics behind SAs.

I have my fingers crossed that a few of the SAs I want to use are as successful as I hope they will be. Otherwise, it'll put a damper on my plans lol

Originally posted by Staz
Originally posted by Robbnva

like pummel and some of the others, how do we know if they are worth anything without seeing tests

There are no visible tests of SAs. The testers aren't allowed to do such tests, and Catch is doing all of the SA balancing/testing "behind closed doors", if you will. The reason for that is that if we are allowed to see these results, we'll have a much better understanding of which SAs do what, how effective certain number of points could be, and we'd get an unfair advantage in knowing more than the average user about the specifics behind SAs.

I have my fingers crossed that a few of the SAs I want to use are as successful as I hope they will be. Otherwise, it'll put a damper on my plans lol

yeah I understand

Originally posted by Mike1709
Originally posted by Mat McBriar

Catch tested them all for effectiveness. Everyone is on level ground here, though. Pretend it's S1 or something.

You mean spend all our points in SA's

evenly across both trees

Originally posted by Staz
There are no visible tests of SAs. The testers aren't allowed to do such tests, and Catch is doing all of the SA balancing/testing "behind closed doors", if you will. The reason for that is that if we are allowed to see these results, we'll have a much better understanding of which SAs do what, how effective certain number of points could be, and we'd get an unfair advantage in knowing more than the average user about the specifics behind SAs.

I have my fingers crossed that a few of the SAs I want to use are as successful as I hope they will be. Otherwise, it'll put a damper on my plans lol

There is no unfair advantage if the tests are public, which they should be

Running tests on SAs would actually provide quite a bit of an advantage. We'd know how the tests were set up (tough to explain the AI set up if you do things out of the ordinary in an attempt to isolate the SA), we'd know the specific builds, etc.


What I'm guessing Catch is doing is running multple builds, multiple levels of the SA, multiple situations, etc. If a regular tester were to do this, he would gain a LOT of knowledge about how these things work. Probably more so than the average user would see just by watching replays and looking at player builds.

I ran regression testing on the SA's - 20 game base set with no SA's and then would run 5 game sets with varying levels of the SA's. I made changes/recommendations to the SA's to Bort based on these test results.

FWIW, I'm doing the same thing right now with all the old SA's - it takes a while, especially since I have a lot of other things I'm doing. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the offense SA's.

Test results will not be made public though, games are hidden from viewing, not even testers can see them.

Thanks, Catch - justy the sort of good communication you used to provide before you turned pro

Originally posted by Catch22
I ran regression testing on the SA's - 20 game base set with no SA's and then would run 5 game sets with varying levels of the SA's. I made changes/recommendations to the SA's to Bort based on these test results.

FWIW, I'm doing the same thing right now with all the old SA's - it takes a while, especially since I have a lot of other things I'm doing. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the offense SA's.

Test results will not be made public though, games are hidden from viewing, not even testers can see them.

so any changes to the effectiveness of the SAs to achieve balance will happen this offseason or early next season?

Originally posted by cosmoxl
so any changes to the effectiveness of the SAs to achieve balance will happen this offseason or early next season?

I'd guess season 16 tbh. Still have a lot more to test and then have to make adjustments and re-test.