Warrior General Games

So we're adding some more in depth stuff soon as you know, and I realize not everyone out there feels they have time to "wrap their head around it." Or maybe they just want to play some basic dotball and watch replays, without worrying about finances and whatnot.

So, what if we were to make a completely no-finance, no-hassle, barebones "Basic" league setup, with specifically Basic players that can only play there?

What I'm thinking for basic teams:

- Casual tactics
- No stadium, no tickets, no salaries, no upgrades, no eq fund. All you do is tactics for your games and sign players in a level range up to a roster limit.
- Prob make roster limit here 45 or so, since there's likely less players to go around.
- We do some leagues like usual, at various levels.
- No trades. Just sign/drop players. Keep chemistry.
- Can only sign Basic players, listed below:

What I'm thinking for basic players:

- Half price on everything
- They can only play in basic leagues. Gotta keep these guys separate because:
- Training system is automatic, just like season 1 training. Choose an attribute, it trains at midnight by itself.
- EQ is free, can have one set. No AEQ. No Bonus Tokens.
- Still use archetypes, sp system the same

Other ideas to go with:

- Make some better templates for CPUs, based on "typical" builds for each archetype. This will ensure teams can get some competitive CPUs if there aren't enough basic players around or they have trouble recruiting.


Would people be interested in such a thing? The old training code is still around in my code repository and in the database, so it would be fairly trivial to resurrect and get going.

Too basic IMO.

I don't think this should coincide with new changes.

I would give them everyone a season to digest them before deciding if people want this.

Right now, people are resistant to change and don't know exactly what to think yet.

Personally, I just like the idea of casual leagues without coaches and no AI.

Everything else should be manageable after that.

Originally posted by Loco Moco
Too basic IMO.

I don't think this should coincide with new changes.

I would give them everyone a season to digest them before deciding if people want this.

Right now, people are resistant to change and don't know exactly what to think yet.


i agree on both points but I think the AI is too basic. Do a medium ranged AI and i think this league will get a good amount of support.

Originally posted by Loco Moco
Right now, people are resistant to change and don't know exactly what to think yet.

Well, that's true.

Originally posted by Loco Moco
Personally, I just like the idea of casual leagues without coaches and no AI.

Everything else should be manageable after that.



Main problem is that eq/finances is getting some changes that are desperately needed to fix some glaring cash-related loopholes, and those would be incompatible with the old system's cash structure. Therefore, if we want to allow a very casual structure somehow, without extra stadium upgrades and whatnot in a casual league, we need to have some way to separate the players out who play there so they don't interfere with the other league systems.

Also, I was thinking this sort of thing might be exciting for the types of people who want to own lots and lots of players on their own team but don't have a ton of time to deal with training them and stadium and AI. Even though I'll be working on an auto-assistant option for the new training and stadium upgrades, they do have more options.

auto training would be nice to help agents with lots of dots, but it will need the option to set a value for auto-train to turn off.
It'd be nice if you could have a player automatically train a skill until it hits 35 and then it stops.
That would be a huge time saver in all leagues for all agents.

As for the new finances, I can see why you'd have to separate players if they were upgrading by different rules, but I still think we need time to mess around with the finances aspect before we decided it's too much for the "basic" GLB'er.
I know as a CFO for 15+ teams, I'll be cutting those duties in half to make sure that I still have time for other stuff in GLB.
As it is, offseasons and playoffs already take me almost an hour a day for finances.
But like I said, I still don't have a strong opinion on those changes yet.

Don't think a seperate bunch of leagues are needed. Just regular and casual are adequate.

Originally posted by Loco Moco
auto training would be nice to help agents with lots of dots, but it will need the option to set a value for auto-train to turn off.
It'd be nice if you could have a player automatically train a skill until it hits 35 and then it stops.
That would be a huge time saver in all leagues for all agents.

My plan already


I see your point about the new changes and they are literally less than a day old as far as the public knows about, still no interface etc. Outside of that, though, I still like this idea. Even with the current system, you have people who find the training system too time consuming and could care less about the financial side of the game, and just want to check on their players for 10 minutes here and there and do some basic tactics. Some of those types of people have probably even quit because they felt they couldn't keep up. Something that brings the game back down to the most very basic core levels we saw at launch might really appeal to them.

Of course, a lot of those people will not bother to read the suggestions forum either, so I will never hear from them about this idea. Ironic lol.

TBH, I'd probably make some new players myself under the auto-train system if it were resurrected. I always tended to forget to train my players.

The idea of a really basic system could be appealing for quite a lot of the casual players.

How would you separate out the players though? Like, on someones home page, would your players be split like your teams are split now?

I think if you are going with such a basic setup, you should speed up the games schedule to 1 game a day. Otherwise it will really drag if you only have those basic type players and a basic team.

doobas™

Originally posted by ste
Don't think a seperate bunch of leagues are needed. Just regular and casual are adequate.

Don't really want to upset the now established casual structure tho.

Originally posted by doobas
The idea of a really basic system could be appealing for quite a lot of the casual players.

How would you separate out the players though? Like, on someones home page, would your players be split like your teams are split now?

I think if you are going with such a basic setup, you should speed up the games schedule to 1 game a day. Otherwise it will really drag if you only have those basic type players and a basic team.

doobas™

I figure the basic players would have some sort of icon that signifies them, or we put them on a new tab or something (or both).

Not sure if we'd want 1 per day games or not. That is almost anti-casual really...you need a day to look at your next opponent. I see your point, though.

Originally posted by Bort
I figure the basic players would have some sort of icon that signifies them, or we put them on a new tab or something (or both).


I like the idea of having ya normal players at the top, and your basic players underneath. Similar to how owned teams come first, then GMed teams come after.

Putting them on a new tab would be counter productive, i think. I'd probably forget about them, if they weren't on my homepage.

doobas™

Originally posted by doobas
I like the idea of having ya normal players at the top, and your basic players underneath. Similar to how owned teams come first, then GMed teams come after.

Putting them on a new tab would be counter productive, i think. I'd probably forget about them, if they weren't on my homepage.

doobas™


think of the Valakars and Gmans out there though. Maybe at a certain number or GMed teams/Players/SupCasPlayers you should be transferred to a tabbed screen and having the option to choose which one it opens to.

Originally posted by CTGuyton
think of the Valakars and Gmans out there though. Maybe at a certain number or GMed teams/Players/SupCasPlayers you should be transferred to a tabbed screen and having the option to choose which one it opens to.

Yeah, i suppose it could get crazy if you have loads. Maybe have a way to minimise each section? Like the way the AI minimises output details?

doobas™

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