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NiborRis
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I think we all agree we see the difference in behavior - I know I've seen it, but I don't follow DBs very closely to know various settings and such.

So the question now has come to "is the different behavior in the endzone intentional or accidental"
I think that while we suspect this is intentional, we should probably get Catch to weigh in on this as I don't believe it's ever been discussed directly by the Admins.

I'm going to move this to Needs Bug Admin Verification and let Catch weigh in on this.

My summary:

In the endzone, DBs who are on semi-aggressive, especially in man coverage, seem to jump the route for the ball as if they were on aggressive, or as if they had "over the top help". This causes the WR to be left alone while the DBs are moved far forward.

One of many examples from this thread:
Originally posted by stromstarhammer
CB3 Elijah Hawk is set to Semi-aggressive
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1343315&pbp_id=4498282


robponce has suggested this is intentional.
My first thought is this may be partially contributed to by the fact that the DBs are often coming to a stop before the ball is thrown in the endzone, allowing a bigger jump to the ball than elsewhere on the field, but we don't see this behavior elsewhere - even on hook routes and passes to WRs who have completed their routes and are stationary, so this may not be a factor. And in the example, the ball is thrown while the WR is still streaking into the endzone, and the DBs have time to react and turn around.
If this is a bug there may be some math errors when the ball is near the end line causing the DBs to miscalculate their intercept point, or it's possible that DBs act on aggressive in the endzone when on semi-aggressive, but it's unclear if that's intentional.
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Saw another example in today's game
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1294384&pbp_id=6681972
CB3 Elijah Hawk is set to semi-aggressive
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Here's another one, same game:
CB3 Corn erback is set to semi-aggressive:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1294384&pbp_id=6685058
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Originally posted by stormstarhammer
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1281550&pbp_id=1705580


imo this is the best example (or worst depending on your viewpoint). The cb's are with the WR and clearly move forward to attack the ball leaving the WR open. In some of the other cases it seems the CB's are not up with play and are making a jumping attempt on the route
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Originally posted by Skoll Wolfrun
Originally posted by stromstarhammer

Same season 14 CB3 earlier in season:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1017854&pbp_id=12084253
Tactics are set to play behind receiver.

I guess that's my bigger problem, is that WRs often can be found wide open in the back of the endzone because for some reason DBs step up in front Interception in the endzone regardless of tactics.

It's a sim issue.
Perhaps not a bug.
This might be more along the lines of punt teams not staying in lanes, might be working as intended, but with erred intentions. Know what I mean?


You mean something along the lines of : Bort's fix to stop DB from getting stuck behind the end zone back line is unintentionally forcing these DB stay too far forward?


this is the problem. borts attempt to stop dbs from getting stuck in the back of the end zone makes them stop a few yards short of the back of the end zone and try to execute their assignment, whether they are set to aggressive/simi or whatever. this has been going on since he called himself correcting the problem seasons back.
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I've seen it on CBs and FS and there are examples provided.
I am almost certain it does not work on SS because in one of these I'm pretty sure I saw an SS not go for an interception
I have not been able to determine either way for LBs, but I'm sure with some testing someone could figure it out quickly.
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This one is kind of hard to see, but FS Sledge Hammer is set to Semi-Aggressive, and goes to the same place that CB2 Sam "From Louisville" Madison (aggressive) does, which makes it seem wrong.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1294425&pbp_id=9132029
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I'd agree that this is an issue - go ahead and file.
 
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Filed bug #233
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this should have been resolved with the pass game changes uploaded at beginning of November, particularly:

Nov 15, 2010
- Fix some math errors for coverage interception point calculations in endzone
 
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