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TruthHammer
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All of these plays show a defender who is running much slower than he should be to get to a receiving back they are assigned to cover man-to-man. I don't believe it is a vision issue because the defender is headed in the right direction, just very slowly. All of the defenders shown here have 90 - 107 speed and 63-78 agility, not bad for their level.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1506783&pbp_id=13493902
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1506783&pbp_id=13496678
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1506783&pbp_id=13498749
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1508078&pbp_id=14068421
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1506783&pbp_id=13498894
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1506783&pbp_id=13496051
... and it's not just LBs either. Here's a CB doing it:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1503535&pbp_id=12927949



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Edited by TaySC on Jan 21, 2011 16:28:14
Edited by Pwned IRL on Jan 20, 2011 16:08:22 (Verified that this thread is Likely a Bug - 2nd Response)
Edited by Hikariu on Jan 14, 2011 11:21:14
Edited by VolBrian on Jan 3, 2011 10:29:33 (Likely a bug)
 
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From Puvirnituq Musketeers team forum:

Dec 2, 2010 16:52:11Originally posted by Beachsand DTD
The problem is that passing was suppose to get easier in short yardage plays......That really isn't happening......What seems to work really well is HB screen passes and flats.....

Have we tried to find that "sweet" spot where the throw is suppose to be golden....



Dec 3, 2010 02:56:59Originally posted by stromstarhammer
our defense looks the same, but I agree, HB passing seems to be working really well against us, too.
Especially HB flats out of shotgun, I contributed to a bugs thread about it, I fee llike defenders move slower than normal when covering from the middle of the field. we might be able to sneak a few on some teams.
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Not just slow-down either. The coverage on backs and TEs is deplorable in many cases and it's never been "fixed." t's to the point where I don't think he even knows how to fix it, TBH. Hell screen pass coverage is just a huge joke as well in most cases.

Look at this sort of crap: ROLB in m2m on HB weak: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1508486&pbp_id=14551007

It's really gotten to the point where I don't even bother posting any of these issues since they're just swept under the rug anyway.

Heck, look at the DBs getting stuck in the endzone backline flypaper bug that has been sitting there for so long w/o any sort of fix that it's just become comical.

/shrug
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Edited by Toriq on Dec 29, 2010 14:41:42
 
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Originally posted by Toriq
It's really gotten to the point where I don't even bother posting any of these issues since they're just swept under the rug anyway.

No, bugs does a good job.
"Working as intended. Try making a suggestion."

THEN it gets swept under the rug.
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Here's another example. The MLB on this play:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1450573&pbp_id=11799743
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Originally posted by Toriq
Look at this sort of crap: ROLB in m2m on HB weak: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1508486&pbp_id=14551007


tbh I think the ROLB bit on the Catch Fake there.
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Originally posted by TrevJo
tbh I think the ROLB bit on the Catch Fake there.


The Catch Fake done by the WR who he wasn't even covering? That's an interesting theory as I'd assume that catch fake would (should?) only work on the defender in m2m on the dot who is catch faking...
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This has been an issue for seasons now. I'm like Toriq. You know it's screwed up, but you know it's also being ignored or the logic can't be fixed.

This is just one of the several issues. WR's double and sometimes triple blocking is also being overlooked. Players over-extending theirs zones is another.

BTW.....love the Santa Toriq.

Edited by smittdog101 on Dec 30, 2010 09:18:46
 
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Interesting. I do suspect there's some sort of cushion issue on this. I suppose QA should talk this one over.

Likely a bug
 
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Originally posted by VolBrian
Likely a bug


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I have this post that's in the NEEDS TESTING part of the bugs forum...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4395922

Man coverage distance has always struggled on HB coverage in this sim... I think it has to do with the angle the LBs or Safeties pick up the HB or FB. Covering behind the LOS helped, but it absolutely destroyed the screen passes.

first thing: fix man coverage distance at an angle

second thing: the DPC should have settings to determine the type of coverage you want from your LBs, Safeties, and CBs. If you build a 2 deep safety defense, you should be able to set your CBs to play more aggessively against slants and underneath routes. Same goes for LBs covering HBs, you should be able to set them to Aggressive (behind LOS) or Normal or passive depending on down and situation.
Edited by mccollums on Jan 3, 2011 10:57:52
 
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Originally posted by mccollums
I think it has to do with the angle the LBs or Safeties pick up the HB or FB.


I thought the same thing. It looks like they're constantly adjusting their pursuit angle to get to the HB instead of calculating an intercept point. Their pursuit behavior shouldn't really be any different than if the HB were carrying the ball (with the addition of the coverage cushion of course).
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Originally posted by Toriq
Originally posted by TrevJo

tbh I think the ROLB bit on the Catch Fake there.


The Catch Fake done by the WR who he wasn't even covering? That's an interesting theory as I'd assume that catch fake would (should?) only work on the defender in m2m on the dot who is catch faking...


I don't know if Catch Fake can affect other defenders but from the timing of the fake and the ROLB's change of direction to the inside it seems plausible.
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Originally posted by stromstarhammer
From Puvirnituq Musketeers team forum:

Dec 2, 2010 16:52:11Originally posted by Beachsand DTD

The problem is that passing was suppose to get easier in short yardage plays......That really isn't happening......What seems to work really well is HB screen passes and flats.....

Have we tried to find that "sweet" spot where the throw is suppose to be golden....



Dec 3, 2010 02:56:59Originally posted by stromstarhammer

our defense looks the same, but I agree, HB passing seems to be working really well against us, too.
Especially HB flats out of shotgun, I contributed to a bugs thread about it, I fee llike defenders move slower than normal when covering from the middle of the field. we might be able to sneak a few on some teams.


Found the bugs thread that I referred to about HB passing (different issue was determined not a bug)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4403083&page=1#39696979
Originally posted by stromstarhammer on Nov 30, 2010 11:59:45

Yeah I've noticed a lot of issues where defenders seem to slow down when covering the HB in the flats out of shotgun
Speak what your talkin bout
Edited by stromstarhammer on Jan 3, 2011 12:24:34
 
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Saw another incidence of this in a private scrim with a FS covering a FB (offensive play: Pro Set TE Sail)
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