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Isn't it great that a team in the bottom-tier of the league structure can lose their first round playoff game 213-0 and still get promoted straight up to Elite #2 the following season without having to spend time in Competitive first? Just ask the Chimneyville Defenders in National Minor Elite #2. ( http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4780 ) Sure, they're a Level 28 team in a league full of Level 46 players, but they're living the dream in Elite, and I'm sure they'll be able to hold their opponents under 200 points all season long.

Sadly, these sorts of "What the f---?" stories are depressingly common in GLB this season. I just spent the past 90 minutes looking at all of the Pro leagues and all of the Elite leagues on the full-AI side of GLB, running Pabst's Player Value To League Page script on each league to look for teams that were very obviously out-of-place. These teams need to get bumped down one or two notches and replaced with teams that will actually be able to compete.

The biggest consistent source of these sorts of mis-placed teams are teams who made the playoffs in the bottom tier and automatically got promoted up to Elite because of it, even if they only made it into the playoffs as an 8-seed and got destroyed by 200 in the first round. Considering that most bottom-tier leagues are composed of gut-jobs and CPU teams, a freaking trained monkey could make the playoffs in that situation. Does that mean the trained monkey belongs in Elite #1? No, it doesn't.

Remember, it only took me 90 minutes to put this list together, and I did it while holding a sleeping baby. If I can do it, then Bort and Catch can spare a staffer to do it once every off-season.

Without further ado, here's the list!

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African Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=83
2 CPU teams. Why not swap them out with 2 Regional Pro teams?

Eastern Europe Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=11
1 team with an empty roster (P-Town Baby Bulls) and 1 team with just 1 human dot (The Legion's Stalingrad Gryphon Army). Again, why not swap them out with 2 Regional Pro teams?

Oceania Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=17
1 CPU team, 1 team with an empty roster (Syracuse Synergy) and 1 team with just 1 human dot (All Good Things).

Southeast Asia Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=13
1 CPU team, 1 team with an empty roster (NBA Jam Extreme), and 1 team (The Eye Of Horus) who got promoted straight from Regional Pro Competitive #6 to SE Asia Pro and skipped Elite despite losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs and despite being outleveled by 4 to 16 levels by every other team in their new league. Why didn't The Eye Of Horus get promoted up to just Regional Pro Elite to see if they could hack it there first before sending them up to Southeast Asia Pro to get slaughtered?

USA Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=1
1 team with an empty roster (LUElinks LUEshis), and 1 team with only 12 dots on their roster (Tennessee Bandits).

Western Europe Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=9
3 teams with woefully incomplete rosters: Metz Metal Militia (12 dots), Oslofjorden Seagulls (3 dots), and Philadelphia Marauders II (2 dots).

Regional Pro Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=2
1 CPU team, 1 team with an empty roster (Fulham Flying Hoodfish), and a slow-build team (Genco Olive Oil) who got promoted from Regional Pro #11 straight up to Regional Pro Elite #1 and skipped Competitive despite having an average level of 38 when everyone else in their new league is in the 50s or higher.

Semi Pro Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=26
1 team with an empty roster (Montreal Gaulois), plus two slow-build teams (Dubuque WarHawks and Indy Horseshoes) who got promoted from the bottom rung of National Minor straight up to the top rung of National Semi Pro and skipped Competitive despite the fact that they'll be outleveled by at least 13 levels in their new league.

National Minor Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=37
1 team with an empty roster (Winnipeg Jets) and 1 team with only 11 dots (Malicious Bengals).

National Minor Elite #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=38
1 CPU team, 1 team with 1 dot (UND Fighting Sioux), 1 team with only 11 dot (Legion of Doom), and the Chimneyville Defenders, who clawed their way up into Elite #2 through a brilliant two-step method: make it to the playoffs in the bottom rung of Regional Minor, then lose in the first round of the playoffs 213-0. Yeah, they belong in Elite! Move 'em on up and skip Competitive!

Regional Minor Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=137
1 team with 8 dots (So Cal Marauders), 1 team with 17 dots (Guam Turkeys), and Munqui Tribe, who jumped from the bottom rung of Local Minor straight up to Elite #1 in Regional Minor by making the playoffs and then losing in the 2nd round 252-7. No need to put them in Competitive... send 'em on up to Elite! They'll do fine! Who cares if they're out-leveled by at least 8?

Regional Minor Elite #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=138
1 team with 8 dots (Transylvania Pioneers), plus The Irrational Homeless Kittens who made the playoffs in the bottom rung of Local Minor and promptly lost 94-6 in the first round. They bypassed Competitive and went straight up to Elite #2, where they're outleveled by at least 12.

Local Minor Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=145
1 team with an empty roster (Guahan Taotaomon'as), and 1 team with only 13 dots (North Dayton Black Rhinos).

Local Minor Elite #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=146
1 team with only 3 dots (Lost Island Smoke Monsters) and 1 team with only 6 dots (Auburn Trojans).

University Elite #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=100
1 team with only 2 dots (Nashville Snipers).

Prep Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=203
1 team with an empty roster (Pain Gang).

+1 this should be a top priority in GLB.

Originally posted by Novus

African Pro
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=83
2 CPU teams. Why not swap them out with 2 Regional Pro teams?


I totally agree with league sorting being a joke, but what you are suggesting is not going to solve the problem. My team have already been forced up from Regional Pro Competitive to National Pro (instead of Regional Pro Elite, where we should have gone) because there were a bunch of gutted teams above us. We do not have a hope in hell of competing at this level, and as usual GLB are asking me and my agents to sit on our arses for 50 days and pay $100 boosting costs just so we can get crapped on every game whilst we wait to catch up because they can't be bothered to fix the league structure.

What is more annoying is that there are teams in Regional Pro that have far higher EL averages than us. However, this is not the way promotion works. Hell, half the teams still in Regional Pro Competitive are stronger than us! Which teams are you proposing to promote?

Whilst I agree with your assessment that many of the top leagues have teams that do not have full rosters and support your efforts to bring it to the attention of the admins, it is not actually a solution to just force more fully rostered teams up into leagues where they cannot compete. The object of the game should be to provide a competitive league to ALL players, not just make the Elite leagues look good.

The fundamental issue is that leagues are not, and never have been, sorted based on team strength. Until this is addressed, the leagues will always be a shambles.

Originally posted by GLB

Look, we were going to fix the leagues by sorting them properly and evenly, but an urgent issue relating to agents exploiting lolgm trophies has arisen.

This new issue has practically sprung up overnight and requires urgent attention, as such less important issues which don't have any real affect on the game or the user experience (such as the problems you have listed above) have been pushed aside.

Do you guys have any idea how much .gifs cost GLB, if we don't reduce the number sent out GLB will be bankrupted during the next offseason.

Originally posted by Novus
Local Minor Elite #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=145
1 team with an empty roster (Guahan Taotaomon'as), and 1 team with only 13 dots (North Dayton Black Rhinos).
Novus, this is excellent work. That's why I'm especially sorry to nitpick it. Here's how these two teams looked after the initial sort:

Rank Team Players Age Level Value Eff Level Salary
29 North Dayton Black Rhinos 17 157 34 560.38 34 $1,983,440
30 Guċhan Taotaomon'as 37 159 25 517.03 31 $4,736,000

...and, at one point over the last two days, Guċhan had a full roster before emptying it:

Rank Team Players Age Level Value Eff Level Salary
31 Guċhan Taotaomon'as 55 159 25 514.56 30 $7,040,000

Teams have a choice of whether to sink or swim, and I can't really fault GLB when it's the team that decides to sink.

Sorry CPL is loaded..

The fail for my team, and something the admins don't get, is my regional pro elite #1 team is the only team from that age group that promoted to league #1 every season. The disconnect of the admins from the game means they don't understand that this was something that I actually took pride in.

But this season my team along with all the playoff teams from last seasons elite #1 league promoted up to regional elite #2, while one of the elite #1 conferences was filled with last seasons elite #2 and competitive teams.

I'm not sure why that happened, but to have an admin claim elite is elite shows they really don't have a clue.

To hard basket...

You could have added this team that is out of place in regional pro elite #2. http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1162

Originally posted by CDZYO

Novus, this is excellent work. That's why I'm especially sorry to nitpick it. Here's how these two teams looked after the initial sort:

Rank Team Players Age Level Value Eff Level Salary
29 North Dayton Black Rhinos 17 157 34 560.38 34 $1,983,440
30 Guċhan Taotaomon'as 37 159 25 517.03 31 $4,736,000

...and, at one point over the last two days, Guċhan had a full roster before emptying it:

Rank Team Players Age Level Value Eff Level Salary
31 Guċhan Taotaomon'as 55 159 25 514.56 30 $7,040,000

Teams have a choice of whether to sink or swim, and I can't really fault GLB when it's the team that decides to sink.

Guahan wasn't given a choice of sink or swim...just drown or drown. So don't blame the team here.

Squad of 100% non-boosted players that finished 3rd in very weak conference from lowest Univ league was moved to highest Local Minors Elite league. They wouldn't have won any more games with previous roster than with CPU players, so why not let the players move on (down) to where they can have a a small shot to compete? Team tried to get support to move the franchise down without success.

Reinforces that league sort needs to be based on talent of current (final) roster, not just their records in past season with roster (and even ownership) that may or may not be the same.

Further, the roster was in fact empty during the sort, the entire squad's contracts expired on day 40 (totally on accident, because it was overlooked), some were re-signed on 42 then released again when team was kept in LM Elite #1.

Edit: and the team is trying to recruit, no intention of keeping an empty roster.

Originally posted by fogie55

Reinforces that league sort needs to be based on talent of current (final) roster, not just their records in past season with roster (and even ownership) that may or may not be the same.



Very true.

Originally posted by fogie55
Guahan wasn't given a choice of sink or swim...just drown or drown. So don't blame the team here.

Squad of 100% non-boosted players that finished 3rd in very weak conference from lowest Univ league was moved to highest Local Minors Elite league. They wouldn't have won any more games with previous roster than with CPU players, so why not let the players move on (down) to where they can have a a small shot to compete? Team tried to get support to move the franchise down without success.

Reinforces that league sort needs to be based on talent of current (final) roster, not just their records in past season with roster (and even ownership) that may or may not be the same.

Further, the roster was in fact empty during the sort, the entire squad's contracts expired on day 40 (totally on accident, because it was overlooked), some were re-signed on 42 then released again when team was kept in LM Elite #1.

Edit: and the team is trying to recruit, no intention of keeping an empty roster.


I agree with all of this, and I apologize for incorrectly assessing Guċhan's circumstances. Unfortunately, I suspect the unboosted players would have been better than any group that could possibly be recruited in this free agent market. There's too many "elite" leagues and not enough elite teams to go around.

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