Originally posted by Homage
Srsly. People post complaining about rare occurrences as though they happen all the time way too much.

And they refuse to post their builds so that we can actually make a judgment about what happened. In all likelihood his dots have sub-capped strength and carrying.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Sure we do. It's the same things that constitute fumbles.

RNG?

Originally posted by jdbolick

Sure we do. It's the same things that constitute fumbles.

I don't think its a fumble roll though. Just similar. Same attributes, etc etc, just clearly more likely to occur than a fumble. I think seasons back they were exactly the same. But not anymore.

My SS back in the day would've had a KL field day with dawts back then in this sim now. Dawts are much more balanced and versatile now.

Originally posted by Homage
Except its wrong when you consider that we have no idea what constitutes a KL.

the hell, we have a pretty good idea. try harder.

Originally posted by The Big Cack Envy
the hell, we have a pretty good idea. try harder.

I think your idea of a KL and Bort's are very different.

most nfl receivers never even get a pass thrown to them ever.

Originally posted by Homage
Originally posted by jdbolick


Sure we do. It's the same things that constitute fumbles.

I don't think its a fumble roll though. Just similar. Same attributes, etc etc, just clearly more likely to occur than a fumble. I think seasons back they were exactly the same. But not anymore.




I suspect that the defender's strength has a slightly larger impact on knocked loose than it does on fumble calculations.

they should make CBs 300 flex and decrease WRs

Originally posted by Ubasstards
they should make CBs 300 flex and decrease WRs

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by buckets99
most nfl receivers never even get a pass thrown to them ever.

this isnt the NFL, or is it even trying to be. derp

I'm not saying KLs are any more prevalent now than before, but assuming they are- how much could that have to do with more CBs now having Jackhammer?

and maybe after the Ball Hawk nerf people started to think of alternatives to your traditional speed/agility/vision DB

Originally posted by lardaddy
I'm not saying KLs are any more prevalent now than before, but assuming they are- how much could that have to do with more CBs now having Jackhammer?

and maybe after the Ball Hawk nerf people started to think of alternatives to your traditional speed/agility/vision DB

It probably had more to do with combo and hard hitter CBs being created and reaching plateau. Prior to that, making a KL-CB was much more difficult.

str, weight, momentum....all are factors.....were they covered by xone defenders? plus some cbs have 90 str......

3 knocked loosed in a row is rare i guess but doesnt really surprise me

There are a ton of ways to remove the probability of a KL in build strategies. The problem is that most people don't even remotely get into the realm of using them.

Originally posted by Homage
I mean, you do realize that if you have 50-60ish carrying even you probably should have at least 2 VA's that help prevent KL's be it Possession Receiver or Mr. Reliable, etc etc.

My TE with nearly 80 carrying still gets KL's with these two VA's. Just a part of the game.

And again, one scrim isn't an indication of a problem since it's a very small sample size.

Mr. Reliable's Avoid Fumble % doesn't work in the KL calculation.

There is however Cover Up, Brace 4 Impact, Avoid Fumble % AEQ, More carrying/strength/confidence, Poss WR VA, Nerves of Steel VA all at your disposal if need be.

Originally posted by bhall43
Mr. Reliable's Avoid Fumble % doesn't work in the KL calculation.

There is however Cover Up, Brace 4 Impact, Avoid Fumble % AEQ, More carrying/strength/confidence, Poss WR VA, Nerves of Steel VA all at your disposal if need be.

link for the bolded?