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Originally posted by vladykins

I'll bite- confidence seems a bit low, especially if that second build is intended to FFum.


I used to make confidence higher, still sucked - and all the cool kids seemed to be ignoring confidence in their builds.

I will have to see if I have anyone to compare to with a higher confidence.
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I assume that they are both playing on wrap-up tackle.

Sure Tackler will make the most difference of anything.

After that, confidence! It says right in the help text that it directly impacts tackling, and even if it's just a small amount, confidence at 1 SP cost is absolutely worth the buy.

Originally posted by Timetoshine-Metta
most of them of missed diving tackles


DL make an incredible number of diving tackle attempts. Training jump into the upper 20s or low 30s is helpful.

Finally, a second piece of break block % might help some. There is a very significant penalty to making tackles while being blocked, so shaking that block a bit quicker could help reduce that penalty. Of course, you'll still attempt a bunch of partially-blocked tackles, where before you wouldn't have even gotten an attempt b/c you hadn't gotten off the block. So your tackel rate may nto go up, but your sheer number of attempts (and thus successful tackles) should rise.

This all said, an 85% tackle rate from the DT position is about as good as you can expect (I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but 85% is a good solid number), due to the effect of beign partially blocked a lot of the time, and facing well built RBs who are built to break tackles. We can't win them all! So your first guy is actually not doing bad if he's pulling in 80%...sure tackler should push that easily above the 85% marker on its own. For your second guy, the lower natural tackle and lower make tackle % is going to hold you back some, but sure tackler will go a long way. if you still have SP left, I'd look at confidence, and if you still have training left, jumping.
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Originally posted by Timetoshine-Metta
most of them of missed diving tackles


Originally posted by Galithor
probably alot of this. jumping holding ya down.


Huh....now thats interesting. I used to do a bit of jumping on the line for deflections. But it didn't seem worth while.

DIdn't think about diving tackles....
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Originally posted by Tim26
VA's???


In there...

Veteran Abilities
Quick: 9
Workout Warrior: 15
Textbook Tackler: 15
Brick Wall: 15
Bull Rusher: 15

Veteran Abilities
Workout Warrior: 15
Textbook Tackler: 15
Brick Wall: 15
Bull Rusher: 15
Pass Rusher: 9
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Originally posted by lardaddy
Sure Tackler > Textbook Tackler, imo

also do you have them on power tackling?


I used to do Sure then someone said TTackler better.

Not on power, no. Both were on wrap up last season. Rethinking that now. If we are going to be a revolving door maybe a FF to break serve is the thing I need to look for as the answer.
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Originally posted by nexill
I assume that they are both playing on wrap-up tackle.

Sure Tackler will make the most difference of anything.

After that, confidence! It says right in the help text that it directly impacts tackling, and even if it's just a small amount, confidence at 1 SP cost is absolutely worth the buy.
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DL make an incredible number of diving tackle attempts. Training jump into the upper 20s or low 30s is helpful.

Finally, a second piece of break block % might help some. There is a very significant penalty to making tackles while being blocked, so shaking that block a bit quicker could help reduce that penalty. Of course, you'll still attempt a bunch of partially-blocked tackles, where before you wouldn't have even gotten an attempt b/c you hadn't gotten off the block. So your tackel rate may nto go up, but your sheer number of attempts (and thus successful tackles) should rise.

This all said, an 85% tackle rate from the DT position is about as good as you can expect (I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but 85% is a good solid number), due to the effect of beign partially blocked a lot of the time, and facing well built RBs who are built to break tackles. We can't win them all! So your first guy is actually not doing bad if he's pulling in 80%...sure tackler should push that easily above the 85% marker on its own. For your second guy, the lower natural tackle and lower make tackle % is going to hold you back some, but sure tackler will go a long way. if you still have SP left, I'd look at confidence, and if you still have training left, jumping.


Hmm what to trade away for the Sure Tackler, TextBook? Or?

I put Brick Wall in to stop the 4th and 2s from converting as often as they were. I think that did help with that. But not sure its worth it over all.....?

Thanks for the averages. That makes me feel a little better anyway.

In the build tackle issue, too late for this guy, but would you trade away the strength for more tackling the way Build A did?
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To answer the question, I have a DT on my team that has more Strength, Speed, Agility, Vision, Stamina, and Confidence and with a little less Tackling that misses about 20% of tackles. All I can figure is that DTs often have a poor angle of tackle and perhaps not enough Jumping?
 
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Originally posted by AirMcMVP
People bitch about over-moderation and then ask for more moderation. Go figure.


it almost seems paradoxical. Unless you start thinking logically about things. They are not asking for more moderation so much as consistent moderation in this case. Really they would prefer less moderation overall, but if you are going to do it at least be consistent with it. Honestly it isn't too much to ask.

Originally posted by yello1
Yeah but this transcends the D Line but tackling in general.


Not really. Tackling for a Linebacker is really a much different situation than for a d-lineman in many cases. However, I would start by looking at the VA set up and finish with your overall athleticism which includes jumping.
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Originally posted by AirMcMVP
To answer the question, I have a DT on my team that has more Strength, Speed, Agility, Vision, Stamina, and Confidence and with a little less Tackling that misses about 20% of tackles. All I can figure is that DTs often have a poor angle of tackle and perhaps not enough Jumping?


Yeah I used to go with less tackling and these two guys were my supposed answer to the problem.

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Diving tackle SA might help.

These are playing on wrap up?
Edited by mandyross on Aug 9, 2012 13:10:32
 
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Originally posted by toobad4u_00
Not really. Tackling for a Linebacker is really a much different situation than for a d-lineman in many cases. However, I would start by looking at the VA set up and finish with your overall athleticism which includes jumping.


Thanks

So the consensus seems to be

Moar Jumping

Sure Tackle instead of??? Text Book Tackler?

Moar Vision

Sound about right?

Query, as to build B, the one with effective 163 Strength.....I have 6 on his CEQ. Should I swap the 6 to Tackling???? Or???
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Edited by yello1 on Aug 9, 2012 13:11:54
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by nexill

I assume that they are both playing on wrap-up tackle.

Sure Tackler will make the most difference of anything.

After that, confidence! It says right in the help text that it directly impacts tackling, and even if it's just a small amount, confidence at 1 SP cost is absolutely worth the buy.
...

DL make an incredible number of diving tackle attempts. Training jump into the upper 20s or low 30s is helpful.

Finally, a second piece of break block % might help some. There is a very significant penalty to making tackles while being blocked, so shaking that block a bit quicker could help reduce that penalty. Of course, you'll still attempt a bunch of partially-blocked tackles, where before you wouldn't have even gotten an attempt b/c you hadn't gotten off the block. So your tackel rate may nto go up, but your sheer number of attempts (and thus successful tackles) should rise.

This all said, an 85% tackle rate from the DT position is about as good as you can expect (I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but 85% is a good solid number), due to the effect of beign partially blocked a lot of the time, and facing well built RBs who are built to break tackles. We can't win them all! So your first guy is actually not doing bad if he's pulling in 80%...sure tackler should push that easily above the 85% marker on its own. For your second guy, the lower natural tackle and lower make tackle % is going to hold you back some, but sure tackler will go a long way. if you still have SP left, I'd look at confidence, and if you still have training left, jumping.


Hmm what to trade away for the Sure Tackler, TextBook? Or?

I put Brick Wall in to stop the 4th and 2s from converting as often as they were. I think that did help with that. But not sure its worth it over all.....?

Thanks for the averages. That makes me feel a little better anyway.

In the build tackle issue, too late for this guy, but would you trade away the strength for more tackling the way Build A did?


My instinct is to take away Brick Wall, but if you really like it, then I'd probably go with textbook and/or pass rusher.

I remain a huge fan of strength at DT, obviously for getting off blocks, resisting pushback, resisting fall-forward (the same effect as brick wall), and the help in making the actual tackle. My opinion is that shedding blocks as often and as quickly as possible is the single most important thing to making tackles from DT, both because it helps you get a clean (non-penalized) tackle attempt and because even if you miss, you slow down the runner and buy time for others to get off their blocks.

That said, I do generally prefer to have both textbook and sure tackler maxed out, pushing tackle into the 90s (usually mid-high 80s before textbook factors in). So pretty much right where you are!
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Originally posted by mandyross
Diving tackle SA might help.

These are playing on wrap up?


Yeah last season anyway.
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Seems strange, were they morale spiralling in some heavy losses? The confidence below 50 is a little scary.
 
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Originally posted by toobad4u_00
Not really. Tackling for a Linebacker is really a much different situation than for a d-lineman in many cases. However, I would start by looking at the VA set up and finish with your overall athleticism which includes jumping.


Well.....here are builds from last season who also had tackling problems. The DE Build C missed 29% of his tackles, the CB Build D missed nearly 30%, and the LB Build E missed 29%. Well forget the LB actually he is retired and his numbers are not right due to gear. I tinkered a bit thinking I might make him a STOP in decline.

So I am really interested in why tackling is not happening in general.


Build C
DE
Ht/Wt: 6'8", 330lbs

Strength: 138.2 (+51)
Speed: 92.06 (+2)
Agility: 87.2
Jumping: 28
Stamina: 61.06
Vision: 72.2
Confidence: 50.06
Tackling: 86.2 (+3)


Swat Ball: 3
Wall: 5
Strong Base: 3
Diving Tackle: 2
Monster Hit: 8

First Step: 12
Change Direction: 3
Shed Blocks: 6


Relentless Pursuit: 2
Veteran Abilities
Quick: 15
Track Star: 15
Workout Warrior: 15
Overtime Killer: 1
Pass Rusher: 15
Technique Man: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Strength: +3.92
Speed: +4.05
Agility: +3.92
Make tackle chance: +15%
Break block chance: +12%
Deflect ball chance: +15%

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Build D
CB

Ht/Wt: 6'3", 170lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 50
Speed: 144.1 (+56)
Agility: 91.1 (+1)
Jumping: 81.1 (+1)
Stamina: 60.26
Vision: 89.1
Confidence: 53.26
Catching: 22.26
Tackling: 63.26
Swat Ball: 10
Sticky Hands: 2
Superior Vision: 9
Smooth Operator: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 7
First Step: 5
Change Direction: 4
Jackhammer: 7
Veteran Abilities
Quick: 15
Track Star: 15
Textbook Tackler: 15
Long Reach: 15
Overtime Killer: 1
Third Down Stopper: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Speed: +3.96
Agility: +4.05
Tackling: +4.74
Make tackle chance: +15%
Deflect ball chance: +12%
Avoid fake chance: +15%

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