Originally posted by beenlurken
Why?

16 up/down works beautifully now...

No it doesn't, teams barely try until the playoffs now, and if you can't win a conference you don't belong in the wl. Its that simple. No trophy, no promotion

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
No it doesn't, teams barely try until the playoffs now, and if you can't win a conference you don't belong in the wl. Its that simple. No trophy, no promotion

So reward the WL teams that can't make the playoffs by saying that since there are fewer "trophy winners" more teams should stay up?

Just don't see the purpose in that really..... why should a team in the lower 50% be magically allowed to stay?

It makes more sense to let another team at least get their shot than it does to let a bunch of 6-10 type teams stay.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
No it doesn't, teams barely try until the playoffs now, and if you can't win a conference you don't belong in the wl. Its that simple. No trophy, no promotion

It's like that in every other league in GLB... why should the transition from Nat Pro to WL be any different?

Question for Catch here:

Originally posted by
so that we can start at the top and fill down until we have hit 128 teams and then sort by rivalries.

The ordered list will look approximately like this:

--Demoting WL teams, in order of record, normal tiebreakers (playoff wins, playoff games played, wins, ties, points allowed, points scored) - 16 teams assuming no CPUs or guts
--Top 80 playoff pro teams by normal tiebreakers - 80 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 96) - keep them in the same related leagues
--Top 18 elite teams by normal tiebreakers - 18 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 114)
--Top 14 competitive teams by normal tiebreakers - 14 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 128)

If you sort this 'new' Pro tier by rivalries, won't the demoting WL teams (for the most part) get pushed into the same league? Yielding imbalance?

With this tier I feel like sorting by rivalries isn't the way to go. As much as the userbase wants rivalry, initial parity is more important. Rivalries will build as the new tier ages.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Originally posted by Homage

Also, this better mean that top 24 stay in the WL and you promote only 8.

+1

Valid Cow thoughts

Originally posted by O' HappyCow

So now teams that don't even get a trophy get to promote, that's crap, I think

If you can't win a pro conference, and yiu don't belong in the wl. Even with them condesing them, they won't be as strong as they were back in the day like season 12-17 or so. Ugh I would take a 9th seed over a 4th place team

Originally posted by O' HappyCow

The world league is suppose to be the best teams in glb. We don't get that when we promote 4th place teams, nothing is going to change in the world league. I'm sure they have their reasons for it, but it can't be to increase the overall competition at the wl level, not with 4 4th place teams promoting every season and then demoting. If you can't win a conference, you can't make the playoffs in the wl


Happycow is a smarter cow

Originally posted by beenlurken
It's like that in every other league in GLB... why should the transition from Nat Pro to WL be any different?

The wl is the reward, and to promote from every other league you need a trophy. That's how it was back in the day before the just pushed team through to fill holes

Originally posted by Homage
Uh LOL. There's always a huge gap between the 9th and 10th place teams and the 11-16.

BS... Maybe a huge gap between 9-14 and the 15-16

The high turnover has been good for WL. WL is working... again, why change it?

The wl is suppose to be the best of the best, I can make the argument having 4 4th place teams does not make the wl as strong as it would be if they kept 9th and 10th... or at least make them play each other to see who is better.

The reason there was high turnover was because there had to be, there were that many pro regions, but here are only 6 or so good pro teams that compete every season in the wl. Not that we have a chance to change it, we should, we don't need to promote 16.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Question for Catch here:

Originally posted by

so that we can start at the top and fill down until we have hit 128 teams and then sort by rivalries.

The ordered list will look approximately like this:

--Demoting WL teams, in order of record, normal tiebreakers (playoff wins, playoff games played, wins, ties, points allowed, points scored) - 16 teams assuming no CPUs or guts
--Top 80 playoff pro teams by normal tiebreakers - 80 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 96) - keep them in the same related leagues
--Top 18 elite teams by normal tiebreakers - 18 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 114)
--Top 14 competitive teams by normal tiebreakers - 14 teams assuming no CPUs or guts (running total 128)

If you sort this 'new' Pro tier by rivalries, won't the demoting WL teams (for the most part) get pushed into the same league? Yielding imbalance?

With this tier I feel like sorting by rivalries isn't the way to go. As much as the userbase wants rivalry, initial parity is more important. Rivalries will build as the new tier ages.

I envision this working just like the promotion system does in the minors. The top 16 teams from SAPL will promote to one conference with the top 16 from APL will go to the other conference to form the new "Southern" league. Same thing with WEPL and EEPL, etc. etc. etc.

So, instead of 32 teams competing to be conference champs from SAPL (for example) and earn a trip to the WL, there will just now be 16 fighting to make the 3rd round of the playoffs. All this does is cut the bottom half of the Pro teams and moves them into Regional Pro.

Originally posted by beenlurken
BS... Maybe a huge gap between 9-14 and the 15-16

The high turnover has been good for WL. WL is working... again, why change it?

I mean if you think it's going to be the same teams, why even bother with condensing the Pro Leagues then?

You just mad that Moosejaw has a hard time sticking in WL. Stop being selfish.

WL is working. They could have easily just promote the Nat Pro winners (by you reason why should lol2nd place losers get to promote to WL).

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
The reason there was high turnover was because there had to be, there were that many pro regions, but here are only 6 or so good pro teams that compete every season in the wl. Not that we have a chance to change it, we should, we don't need to promote 16.

But still, to draw a line in the sand and one season magically say we are keeping teams 17-24 in the WL would be to assume that that particular season those 8 teams are better than the 9-16 that would promote up from National pro.

Honestly, there is absolutely no way to prove that (either way), so why jump to that conclusion and reward some teams that likely don't deserve to remain in the WL?

Honestly, it doesn't matter much to me either way, but I do think it is silly to assume those teams from 17-24 that have losing records are automatically better than the teams that would replace them.

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Originally posted by TaySC
But still, to draw a line in the sand and one season magically say we are keeping teams 17-24 in the WL would be to assume that that particular season those 8 teams are better than the 9-16 that would promote up from National pro.

Honestly, there is absolutely no way to prove that (either way), so why jump to that conclusion and reward some teams that likely don't deserve to remain in the WL?

Honestly, it doesn't matter much to me either way, but I do think it is silly to assume those teams from 17-24 that have losing records are automatically better than the teams that would replace them.



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