Originally posted by revolution17
i've trained to defend against knife attacks for years. if you're at arms reach from your attacker i would prefer they had a gun...with knives no matter how good your self defense training is, you're gonna get cut and slashed and that's fucking nasty. guns are an easier thing to defend against if you're close enough to touch your attacker.

my pocket knife is sharp enough to shave with...i feel sorry for the fucker that creates a situation where i'm forced to use it cuz he'll likely lose anything i stick the blade into

Agreed. I'd be more comfortable in a gun fight than a knife fight, and I've trained with blades. Unless you have the jump on someone, you're going to get cut no matter what you do.

Originally posted by taurran
Agreed. I'd be more comfortable in a gun fight than a knife fight, and I've trained with blades. Unless you have the jump on someone, you're going to get cut no matter what you do.

yah i put my hand though a window once and the glass severed the tendon that made my thumb function...bled like a motherfucker and rendered the hand useless since i had no gripping function of the hand any more even though there wasn't much pain at all

knives and sharp things are just nasty

in other news...south african police fire upon striking miners...good game tyranny
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/modern-day-worker-revolt

Originally posted by revolution17
yah i put my hand though a window once and the glass severed the tendon that made my thumb function...bled like a motherfucker and rendered the hand useless since i had no gripping function of the hand any more even though there wasn't much pain at all


not the fappin hand, I hope?

Originally posted by seths99
not the fappin hand, I hope?

yup...the 'stranger' was so lazy and unskilled and the rehab was a painful couple of months

Originally posted by revolution17
Originally posted by Lazer Noble

are you saying more guns would have lowered that number?

would you walk up to a total stranger and fuck with them if you thought they had a gun?

gun bans merely serve to embolden criminals. they do nothing to stop crime or make the law-abiding people safer.

so to answer your question. fuck yes! there is plenty of data to back that up too.


Here in Chicago the problem has a lot more to do with gangs than guns. The overwhelming majority of gun violence in Chicago is from gang activity, and honestly the gangbangers walk up to each other assuming that the others have guns and their objective is to shoot the others before they get shot themselves. And unfortunately too many of the victims are innocent bystanders who are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Gangbangers don't undergo weapons training and properly learn how to shoot. They just POP POP POP in the general direction of their target and don't really care if innocent bystanders get in the way.

Originally posted by Fat Banana

Here in Chicago the problem has a lot more to do with gangs than guns. The overwhelming majority of gun violence in Chicago is from gang activity, and honestly the gangbangers walk up to each other assuming that the others have guns and their objective is to shoot the others before they get shot themselves. And unfortunately too many of the victims are innocent bystanders who are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Gangbangers don't undergo weapons training and properly learn how to shoot. They just POP POP POP in the general direction of their target and don't really care if innocent bystanders get in the way.



I live right on the edge of Compton in Long Beach and hear gun shots followed by squealing tires every few nights.
Pretty obvious that they are responsible for the majority of gun violence, not the average person who legally purchases a firearm.
Which is of course why restricting one's ability to legally purchase will do nothing, especially considering that there is a huge underground firearm trade.

You have to be a moron to think it's a better idea to restrict the average law abiding citizen instead of pursuing the illegal trade of guns if your goal is actually minimizing harm.

Also, if the only people that used guns to hurt others were the random crazies that you hear about in the news, there would be so little gun violence overall compared to now.
Like, imagine if no gangs had any guns at all (even though it's an impossible feat) and only normal, law abiding average joes had guns. The only gun crime that there would be is from random crazy people, accounting for what? - 1-5% of the current level of gun homicides? Probably less.

Originally posted by Djinnt
Also, if the only people that used guns to hurt others were the random crazies that you hear about in the news, there would be so little gun violence overall compared to now.
Like, imagine if no gangs had any guns at all (even though it's an impossible feat) and only normal, law abiding average joes had guns. The only gun crime that there would be is from random crazy people, accounting for what? - 1-5% of the current level of gun homicides? Probably less.

However, stabbings and baseball bat beatings would be astronomical. Don't believe it? Go to a soccer or rugby match in the UK. Hell, just go hang out on a street corner in the UK. Don't get shanked.

Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
However, stabbings and baseball bat beatings would be astronomical. Don't believe it? Go to a soccer or rugby match in the UK. Hell, just go hang out on a street corner in the UK. Don't get shanked.



Seriously. UK is one of the most crime ridden countries in Europe according to the UN and EU crime statistics data.

I was in an argument with some dude from the UK that was ripping on Americans and all the gun deaths so I started studying his countries statistics and was shocked to see how dangerous the place was. Sure, less gun deaths, but every major criminal statistic was astronomically higher. Theft, burglary, assaults, etc where the victim has less chance to defend themselves or their property...

Originally posted by Gnosis
Seriously. UK is one of the most crime ridden countries in Europe according to the UN and EU crime statistics data.

I was in an argument with some dude from the UK that was ripping on Americans and all the gun deaths so I started studying his countries statistics and was shocked to see how dangerous the place was. Sure, less gun deaths, but every major criminal statistic was astronomically higher. Theft, burglary, assaults, etc where the victim has less chance to defend themselves or their property...



Good point that people tend to just focus on homicide rates when citing gun violence statistics. You really have to look at all violent crime as well.