Originally posted by lawdog
How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

I would think that since WR3 is considered a starting position, Joe2 would start at slot for 3-5 WR sets, and Joe3 would be playing WR2 during that time. Thats just my reasoning, can't guarantee its right.

Originally posted by lawdog
How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

Not sure you can... The only thing I can think of is maybe just setting WR 1/2 in the normal depth chart, and then setting WR1/ WR3/ WR2 in the new WR depth chart and maybe it will work? Otherwise, I don't know if you can?

Originally posted by thehazyone
Originally posted by alfies

The WR\CB1/2/3/4/5 needs tweaking. All count as a "starting position", therefor you can't have depth unless you sign 10 WR's. It will continually trot out the same WR's and will not replace them. You should be able to put the WR's in the 3/4/5 slot as back ups for the 1/2 slot. As of now, you have to use the normal WR depth to get a rotation.

Our WR1 played like 85+ snaps.

You can put multiple WR's in the depth chart slots for each of these, you just need to move the starter down from the spot they are starting at, put them in as a backup at the appropriate positions, and then move them back up to starter. Look at my depth chart if you need to see an example of what I am talking about.



Is a bit tricky, but I got that. Valuable info, thanks.

Originally posted by lawdog
How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

The way I would handle that is to leave the WR2 slot Blank, putting Joe2 into the #3 position. This will cause Joe2 to automatically get placed into the #2 slot during a 2 wideout play, and once three wideouts come out it move Joe2 to WR3, and automatically populate Joe3 into WR2 given your base order is Joe1-3.

If you did it in the order you discribe, I could only assume it will populate in order. So if Joe2 has enough energy he will be put into WR2, and WR3 will autopopulate, but if Joe2 doesn't have enough energy then he will be subbed for WR2 and then will be forced into the WR3 slot.

Originally posted by Juan Fiddy
Originally posted by lawdog

How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

The way I would handle that is to leave the WR2 slot Blank, putting Joe2 into the #3 position. This will cause Joe2 to automatically get placed into the #2 slot during a 2 wideout play, and once three wideouts come out it move Joe2 to WR3, and automatically populate Joe3 into WR2 given your base order is Joe1-3.

If you did it in the order you discribe, I could only assume it will populate in order. So if Joe2 has enough energy he will be put into WR2, and WR3 will autopopulate, but if Joe2 doesn't have enough energy then he will be subbed for WR2 and then will be forced into the WR3 slot.

+1 , This guy, he's sooooo gooodddd

Originally posted by Juan Fiddy
Originally posted by lawdog

How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

The way I would handle that is to leave the WR2 slot Blank, putting Joe2 into the #3 position. This will cause Joe2 to automatically get placed into the #2 slot during a 2 wideout play, and once three wideouts come out it move Joe2 to WR3, and automatically populate Joe3 into WR2 given your base order is Joe1-3.

If you did it in the order you discribe, I could only assume it will populate in order. So if Joe2 has enough energy he will be put into WR2, and WR3 will autopopulate, but if Joe2 doesn't have enough energy then he will be subbed for WR2 and then will be forced into the WR3 slot.

Only problem is the 3rd WR is not always lined up in the slot. Would be nice if they did though.

Originally posted by czman
Originally posted by Juan Fiddy

Originally posted by lawdog


How would the following WR formation set up:

WR1: Joe1
WR2: Joe2, Joe3
WR3: Joe2

Who would play the slot position? I'm trying to find a way to put WR2 in the slot on a 3 WR set.

The way I would handle that is to leave the WR2 slot Blank, putting Joe2 into the #3 position. This will cause Joe2 to automatically get placed into the #2 slot during a 2 wideout play, and once three wideouts come out it move Joe2 to WR3, and automatically populate Joe3 into WR2 given your base order is Joe1-3.

If you did it in the order you discribe, I could only assume it will populate in order. So if Joe2 has enough energy he will be put into WR2, and WR3 will autopopulate, but if Joe2 doesn't have enough energy then he will be subbed for WR2 and then will be forced into the WR3 slot.

Only problem is the 3rd WR is not always lined up in the slot. Would be nice if they did though.

do you have an example CZ? maybe i can take a look

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned
Originally posted by missnlife

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned


** Make sure you have a PUNT setting in your advanced AI, or you will go for it on 4th and XX, when your AI is forced to followed your settings exactly!
Originally posted by Bort



Make sure you actually have a "punt" setting at the top if you click "follow exactly." If you don't, you will never punt.
(http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=706463 )


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=81291& pbp_id=89495

4th & 14 from my own 16...and it calls a Draw up the middle. I have a 5% chance set to go for it in the course of a game, but it should have been a pass...and only should have happened if we needed less than 2 for the 1st down...AND if we're between the opponents' 40 and 50.

You might need to break up your scenarios a bit more. Give them all their own seperate input/output even for similar situations.

For this scrimmage, I really only added two input/outputs on the offensive side. The one described above, which will pass on 4th down and short(when between the opponents' 40 and 50), 5% of the time...and punt the other 95%.

The second only effects 2nd down in the 2nd quarter.

I'm not sure how much more I could break it down. I'm also wondering if the tactics setup for the 2nd quarter(the default ones, regarding the redzone), mistook MY 16 for the opponent's 16. Not sure if that's a possibility, but I'm hoping not.

In some 3 Wr sets the #1 lines up in the slot. usually out of single back sets that are long passes.

Originally posted by missnlife
Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned

Originally posted by missnlife


Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned



** Make sure you have a PUNT setting in your advanced AI, or you will go for it on 4th and XX, when your AI is forced to followed your settings exactly!
Originally posted by Bort




Make sure you actually have a "punt" setting at the top if you click "follow exactly." If you don't, you will never punt.
(http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=706463 )


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=81291& pbp_id=89495

4th & 14 from my own 16...and it calls a Draw up the middle. I have a 5% chance set to go for it in the course of a game, but it should have been a pass...and only should have happened if we needed less than 2 for the 1st down...AND if we're between the opponents' 40 and 50.

You might need to break up your scenarios a bit more. Give them all their own seperate input/output even for similar situations.

For this scrimmage, I really only added two input/outputs on the offensive side. The one described above, which will pass on 4th down and short(when between the opponents' 40 and 50), 5% of the time...and punt the other 95%.

The second only effects 2nd down in the 2nd quarter.

I'm not sure how much more I could break it down. I'm also wondering if the tactics setup for the 2nd quarter(the default ones, regarding the redzone), mistook MY 16 for the opponent's 16. Not sure if that's a possibility, but I'm hoping not.

are you having it follow your settings exactly?

Originally posted by czman
In some 3 Wr sets the #1 lines up in the slot. usually out of single back sets that are long passes.


i'll have to look at your replays.

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned


are you having it follow your settings exactly?



Yes.

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned
Originally posted by czman

In some 3 Wr sets the #1 lines up in the slot. usually out of single back sets that are long passes.


i'll have to look at your replays.


And I think he meant in real life. I think.

Originally posted by missnlife
Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned



are you having it follow your settings exactly?



Yes.

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned

Originally posted by czman


In some 3 Wr sets the #1 lines up in the slot. usually out of single back sets that are long passes.


i'll have to look at your replays.


And I think he meant in real life. I think.

a) if it's following your settings exactly, sometimes the AI might not find an exact play to be run, so it'll default to attempting to make a first down. It has been noted before, and that could be your problem there missn. I know it sounds silly/ confusing but Bort has said you need to cover all bases for that to work, so you might have to go back and add some more values.

b) the only time the #3 doesn't line up in the slot in real life, is usally in trips sets when they might shift someone else inside. Usually your flankers always stay on the outside, and the #3 guy is in the slot. The slot gives a shorter/slower/somehow lesser WR the chance to go against a weaker cb, or over the middle against a LB/S where he might gain an advantage.

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned
Originally posted by missnlife

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned




are you having it follow your settings exactly?



Yes.

Originally posted by Twilightbeckoned


Originally posted by czman



In some 3 Wr sets the #1 lines up in the slot. usually out of single back sets that are long passes.


i'll have to look at your replays.


And I think he meant in real life. I think.

a) if it's following your settings exactly, sometimes the AI might not find an exact play to be run, so it'll default to attempting to make a first down. It has been noted before, and that could be your problem there missn. I know it sounds silly/ confusing but Bort has said you need to cover all bases for that to work, so you might have to go back and add some more values.

b) the only time the #3 doesn't line up in the slot in real life, is usally in trips sets when they might shift someone else inside. Usually your flankers always stay on the outside, and the #3 guy is in the slot. The slot gives a shorter/slower/somehow lesser WR the chance to go against a weaker cb, or over the middle against a LB/S where he might gain an advantage.



a) I imagine you're right, but really can't think of what could be added. I'll probably just have it not follow the settings exactly for the next scrimmage. The only thing about the default "punt" tactic was the one I mentioned...where it should have passed, if anything, on 4th down. Thanks for the help.

Edit - Reading a thread where Bort addressed this issue as a possible mistake with formulas.

b) It's been argued before that #1 and #2 WRs(we're talking NFL/NCAA) often go into motion into the Slot position in even simple 3-WR sets. Most often used is TO, who has a tendency to line up in the Slot position on a regular basis.

Drops seem to be up across the board.