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Originally posted by LionsLover
Edit: Actually, come to think of it, 20 DOES NOT WORK 8 offensive players, 8 defensive players 3 both way players and a K/P? Seriously 3 BWP? That's not an iron man league. A true IML would only have 12 roster spots, 15 being decent.

15 isn't doable per Bort. 20 is.

And we're pretty much fine with that.

Originally posted by notthegint
15 isn't doable per Bort. 20 is.

And we're pretty much fine with that.

Yep, 15 was the original idea, which gave wiggle room for a couple of specialists and a couple of open roster spots if teams needed them.

But according to Bort, the game would have to be completely re-coded to allow for fewer than 20 on a roster, which isn't going to ever happen. He put that in as a fail-safe to make sure teams had enough people to play ... if you have fewer than 20 players, the computer automatically fills the slots before you play and reorders your depth chart.

After some time to debate and think about it, the consensus has been that a 20-man Iron Man League is better than no Iron Man League. And the interest in the league is just as high now as it ever was -- including from the top of GLB, which never took an interest in it before and still hasn't.

Originally posted by LionsLover
Edit: Actually, come to think of it, 20 DOES NOT WORK 8 offensive players, 8 defensive players 3 both way players and a K/P? Seriously 3 BWP? That's not an iron man league. A true IML would only have 12 roster spots, 15 being decent.

It does kind've become the 'everyone's always tired' league and not a whole lot more..

Actually, he's arguing the opposite, that there's only 3 "both ways" players in that example, and that it takes the "Iron Man" out of Iron Man.

On the surface, that seems to be the case (which is why I was so against Iron Man with 20 guys to begin with) but when you dif a little deeper, you see it's not. (This has all been discussed earlier, I know, but trying to find something worthwhile in this forum setup is almost impossible, so I'll discuss it briefly here.)

Let's look at your argument on the surface. And remember, I used to make this same argument so I know where you're coming from here:

Originally posted by LionsLover
Edit: Actually, come to think of it, 20 DOES NOT WORK 8 offensive players, 8 defensive players 3 both way players and a K/P? Seriously 3 BWP? That's not an iron man league. A true IML would only have 12 roster spots, 15 being decent.

Now let's play a game. On your team, you have only three guys on both the offensive and defensive depth chart, and all the others are specialists. On my team, I have guys who can play on both sides of the ball and the sub in and out.

At the beginning of the game, your guys are marching over me at will. But they don't have any subs, so the more effective they are, the more tired they become. If that offense stays on the field too much, they're going to start getting creamed. And as my offense starts to wear down your defense, we start putting together longer drives, which continues to wear down your defense more and more.

In fact, the more effective you are early in the game, the more your team is going to wear itself out due to special teams.

At higher levels, you might be able to counter some of this by pushing stamina to sick levels, but then you have to lose a lot from the build that would go to other places because you also have to worry about morale and confidence.

My team, which has more BWP, can get away with lower stamina and confidence and focus on the major skills that work on both sides of the ball: speed, agility, strength, jumping, vision

In the end, your way might win out. My way might win out. Either way, it's two different strategies.

But it's still Iron Man football any way you slice it.

why is coding always so important why not hire someone to do it!

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000

Man every time some1 wrights up some tactics it gets my excited again
so querulous to see what will work ( or won`t )
still would love to see this happen

9 days (or so) till Bort Q&A... get ready to ask about Iron Man people...

Originally posted by Q&A
#9 - Why was the Iron Man league idea shot down?

Technical limitations, more than the idea itself. The sim has a minimum of 20 players on the team at sim time to ensure all positions can be filled in any given play.

I sent this response that was never answered

Originally posted by My reply
Uh, as the initiator of this idea, the person who has maintained the thread and the biggest supporter of the idea, I have to say ... What?

After some initial grumbling about being limited to min roster sizes of 20 players, it's pretty much been a consensus in that thread for several months now that 20 player roster limits are acceptable.

A better answer might be that nobody from GLB has bothered to come back in or do any follow-up or send me a PM to ask. A better answer might be that as soon as it was kicked out of Epic, it was pretty much tossed in the garbage.

It's such a simple idea, such a popular idea, and such a source of constant frustration that nobody at GLB can see how well a niche community like this well help the overall product.

But I felt it my duty to point out that your answer was only partially correct.

So the argument that they don't know we're fine with 20 players is incorrect. I admire your optimism, but I don't think it will be addressed again.

Man, this forum is a wasteland of locked ideas...

Originally posted by haole
I admire your optimism, but I don't think it will be addressed again.


:Shrugs: This may be true, but it's not like there's a downside to continuing to ask.

5 days till Bort Q&A.

EDIT: Actually, maybe you could edit the OP to reflect the Q&A upcoming. If you don't want to I'd understand, but the more people asking about Iron Man, the better right?

I'd drop every league and retire most of my players, just for this idea.

Bort Q&A tomorrow... be ready...

I would sign up for this in a heartbeat! +1,000,000,000,000,000

Originally posted by notthegint
Bort Q&A tomorrow... be ready...

Out of curiosity, how would you phrase the question that you want an answer to?

Originally posted by haole
Out of curiosity, how would you phrase the question that you want an answer to?

Ironman football has seen a wealth of support. Originally it was stated 15 players would not work, so we polled the masses & we have a majority of support for 20 player limitation. Will Ironman leagues be in the works soon?

if it means anything at all.................you can add me to the
+1
list..........this is a team i could enjoy more than the 2 i currently have, which i do enjoy.
But, with the limited roster, and casual type ai, i could play GLB and still be married.

count me as a supporter of Iron Man League.........