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World League


Suggested conference structure and promotion / relegation schedule.

* spelling out gart's suggested framework as I understand it (from here: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2958454&page=8 )


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► Initial formation of the World League:


○ Season 10's final four teams from each of the eight Pro leagues get pulled up to form the initial 32-team World League.

○ The World League would be built with the same Alpha-Zeta conference structure as the rest of GLB's leagues and teams fill in to the WL according to their established Alpha-Zeta affiliation.

○ Following the initial promotion from the current Pro leagues to the World League, each Pro League will have four more slots to fill from AAA on top of the usual four, plus guts. So, in Season 11, each Pro league would experience an influx of at least eight AAA's (four naturally promoted + four World League replacements + gut replacements.)


World League - Alpha Conference:
1. APL Lion 1
2. APL Lion 2
3. CPL West 1
4. CPL West 2
5. EEPL Alpha 1
6. EEPL Alpha 2
7. OPL Alpha 1
8. OPL Alpha 2
9. SAPL Satchmo 1
10. SAPL Satchmo 2
11. SEAPL Naga 1
12. SEAPL Naga 2
13. USAPL West 1
14. USAPL West 2
15. WEPL Alpha 1
16. WEPL Alpha 2

World League - Zeta Conference:
1. APL Elephant 1
2. APL Elephant 2
3. CPL East 1
4. CPL East 2
5. EEPL Zeta 1
6. EEPL Zeta 2
7. OPL Zeta 1
8. OPL Zeta 2
9. SAPL Dizzy 1
10. SAPL Dizzy 2
11. SEAPL Garuda 1
12. SEAPL Garuda 2
13. USAPL East 1
14. USAPL East 2
15. WEPL Zeta 1
16. WEPL Zeta 2


► Subsequent promotions and demotions to and from the World league:

○ World League teams that qualify for the playoffs (16 teams) remain in the World League.

○ World League teams that fail to reach the playoffs (16 teams) return to their home Pro league.

○ Pro league Champions and runners-up (16 teams) promote to the World League.

○ At all times, each region would be repped int he World League by at least 2 teams.

○ At most, 4 teams from any region will be demoted to their original Pro league each season (2 back into each conference.)

○ At most, 2 teams from any region will be promoted to the World League each season (1 from each conference.)

○ When the situation arises that two teams are demoted back into a Pro conference at the same time, room is made for the second team by demoting an additional team from Pro to AAA, and then from AAA to AA if necessary. Removing gutted teams along the way can help with this. This is an idea that has been questioned - fearing the Pro-to-AAA demoted team would not be happy with it. Keep in mind that additional AAA teams were pulled up before they naturally should have been promoted to replace teams headed to the World League, so this is the other side of the same coin.

○ Over time this system allows regions that deserve more representation to get it. If teams from one region are able to succeed (make the playoffs) in the World League, they will stay and others from their region will join them there. In the most extreme case, one region could potentially have 18 representatives while the other 7 regions have only their 2 reps. Getting from the initial 4 reps to the potential top of 18 would take 7 seasons, would be very tough and unlikely, but possible.


► Pro's of this format:

○ Fair initial set-up.

○ Ensures representation from all regions in the future.

○ Allows for stronger leagues to eventually send more reps to the World League.

○ Requirement to stay in the World League (qualify for playoffs) is tough - as it should be for an ELITE league.

○ Turnover rate will be half of the league each season, allowing for new blood on a regular basis.

○ Promotion / relegation is handled in a fair manner.

○ Some regional conference rivalries will be preserved.

○ The long-awaited World League can finally begin.


► Con's of this format:

○ Initial season will not house the best 32 Pro teams in the game.

○ other?

It seems to me that a World League is unnecessary now that we have tournaments like the PWT and Hazy's that nearly every top team plays in.

If we can already use a tournament to show who the best team in the game is, why do we need to destroy rivalries and devalue Pro League Trophies? What value will a Season 11 Pro League Trophy have when everyone knows that the top teams weren't there?

If Bort wants to designate a more official "Best Team in GLB," just set up a Champions League-style tourney that automatically appears on team's schedules. That would have the same positives and far fewer negatives than a World League.

Originally posted by hoyaboy1
It seems to me that a World League is unnecessary now that we have tournaments like the PWT and Hazy's that nearly every top team plays in.

If we can already use a tournament to show who the best team in the game is, why do we need to destroy rivalries and devalue Pro League Trophies? What value will a Season 11 Pro League Trophy have when everyone knows that the top teams weren't there?

If Bort wants to designate a more official "Best Team in GLB," just set up a Champions League-style tourney that automatically appears on team's schedules. That would have the same positives and far fewer negatives than a World League.

Just because your players will never be good enough to participate in the World League, doesn't mean the rest of us don't want our shot.

Originally posted by dpride59
Originally posted by hoyaboy1

It seems to me that a World League is unnecessary now that we have tournaments like the PWT and Hazy's that nearly every top team plays in.

If we can already use a tournament to show who the best team in the game is, why do we need to destroy rivalries and devalue Pro League Trophies? What value will a Season 11 Pro League Trophy have when everyone knows that the top teams weren't there?

If Bort wants to designate a more official "Best Team in GLB," just set up a Champions League-style tourney that automatically appears on team's schedules. That would have the same positives and far fewer negatives than a World League.

Just because your players will never be good enough to participate in the World League, doesn't mean the rest of us don't want our shot.

Porto would probably be a favorite to make the World League in the 2nd season, if not the first. I still think it's a horrible idea.

i'd do...

World League - Alpha Conference:
1. APL Lion 1
2. APL Elephant 2
3. CPL West 1
4. CPL East 2
5. EEPL Alpha 1
6. EEPL Zeta 2
7. OPL Alpha 1
8. OPL Zeta 2
9. SAPL Satchmo 1
10. SAPL Dizzy 2
11. SEAPL Naga 1
12. SEAPL Garuda 2
13. USAPL West 1
14. USAPL East 2
15. WEPL Alpha 1
16. WEPL Zeta 2

World League - Zeta Conference:
1. APL Elephant 1
2. APL Lion 2
3. CPL East 1
4. CPL West 2
5. EEPL Zeta 1
6. EEPL Alpha 2
7. OPL Zeta 1
8. OPL Alpha 2
9. SAPL Dizzy 1
10. SAPL Satchmo 2
11. SEAPL Garuda 1
12. SEAPL Naga 2
13. USAPL East 1
14. USAPL West 2
15. WEPL Zeta 1
16. WEPL Alpha 2

then the week 1 interconference game is against the other team from your conference... this way you play a greater variety of opponents

That still doesn't do anything to address the loss of regions. What if, instead, you had 2 conferences - Western Hemisphere, and Eastern Hemisphere, with each conference having 4 divisions made up of the regions feeding into that conference.

Eg.

Western Hemisphere

USA Division
Canada Division
South America Division (aka SAD)
Western Europe Division

Eastern Hemisphere

Eastern Europe Division
South East Asia Division
Africa Division
Oceania Division

In order to keep the regional spirit alive - and to fan the flames of good rivalries and grudge matches - the World League could adopt a similar schedule to what the NFL has in place. A typical season would therefore include:

- 6 divisional games (you play everyone in your division twice - home and away)
- 4 out-of-conference games (you play 1 team from each of the out-of-conference divisions)
- 6 conference games (you play 2 teams from each of the other 3 divisions in your conference)

Playoffs consist of the winners of the 4 divisions, seeded 1-4, and the 2nd place teams in each division seeded 5-8.

Non-playoff teams are bundled off back to their original, regional pro league.

This adds to the rivalries, keeps the regions relevant, and keeps enough teams coming and going to make everyone feel they at least have a shot at one day making the World League.

I really think people read into rivalry grudge matches way too much. Especially when people pretend like everyone has a rivalry with santiago when in reality, it's just Krazy monkeys and they play once a season because the other teams get steamrolled 9 or 10 times. There will still be rivalries in the pro regions and in wpl.

Regions are still relevant. You don't think in the WPL USA teams won't be rooting for other USA teams and SAPL teams rooting for their SAPL brothers?

Everyone has a shot at world league if they're good enough. However, not all will make it. Just like most AA teams will never ever make Pro and will either stay in lower leagues forever or gut. Not everyone can be on top. Only a very small amount.

Also, people need to remember getting beat by Santiago or WSI 8 times in a row season after season doesn't mean you have a rivalry with them. it means your team is far inferior and they probably could care less about you.

I like the traditional GLB conference format as opposed to NFL style divisions.

With divisions there's too much opportunity for too few or too many good teams in the same division. Current conference format ensures all teams in the conference have the same schedule for the most part.

I don't think any world league member would forget where they came from, the region battles and region talk would certainly continue in the World League.

And as for PWT covering what the World League would, I don't buy it myself. The PWT is really good, but it's a tournament. The World league would be whole season of top notch teams with interest form all regions.

Originally posted by Ravenwood
That still doesn't do anything to address the loss of regions. ...

The two initial EEPL Alpha (for example) teams would stay together in WL Alpha and preserve their regional rivalry, connection, brotherhood, whatever. Then, if they manage to stay in the WL, they'll be joined by another EEPL Alpha team the following season, then another, etc. Regions are preserved and the best of the best get to stay, not the best from each region as it would be in the NFL-like divisional format. Why make it so you are only competing against same-former-league mates to stay when you are in a World League? You should be competing with your entire World League conference to see who gets to stay.

Originally posted by Wrath Of Conor
I like the traditional GLB conference format as opposed to NFL style divisions.

With divisions there's too much opportunity for too few or too many good teams in the same division. Current conference format ensures all teams in the conference have the same schedule for the most part.

I don't think any world league member would forget where they came from, the region battles and region talk would certainly continue in the World League.

And as for PWT covering what the World League would, I don't buy it myself. The PWT is really good, but it's a tournament. The World league would be whole season of top notch teams with interest form all regions.

No one is suggesting changing every GLB league to NFL style divisions.

If you ask me, converting to an NFL style of divisions and scheduling in the World League isn't what I'd pick, but if you like the PWT so much, it definitely makes the season more like a tournament, as you play the teams in your "bracket"/division twice, and you also play other solid teams to help balance the fact that each "bracket" isn't going to be very balanced.

Originally posted by Gronert
more AAA teams will now be admitted into the Pros

Sounds to me like that means in the long-run we'll be able to have the World League and keep Pro Leagues even more competitive.

Also if you're complaining about how if your league has to send all 4 of your teams back down this season that it means 1 extra team from each of your Pro League's conferences will be relegated to AAA.

Are we really so afraid of losing our spot in the Pro's that we think it's automatically a bad thing that a league that wasn't strong enough to keep at least 2 teams in the World League is going to lose the teams that finish in 14th place to AAA? Really?

Are we also forgetting that since each Pro League would have a minimum of two teams representing them that the team finishing 14th would certainly be finishing in 15th place (out of 17) if they had to play their World League representative, which is what we're used to being the position in region of being relegated from anyway?

If your league is so solid from top to bottom that your "14th place" team doesn't deserve to be relegated then your league is probably good enough to avoid having your 14th place teams sent down to AAA. Just because until now you've only had to finish 14th to stick around doesn't mean you suddenly deserve to be allowed to finish 14th and stay in Pro. If you're lucky enough to finish 14th and stay then count your blessings, but don't act like you're only being relegated because there is a World League.


I know some of you are saying "but the extra promoted team finished ahead of us, and without it they wouldn't have been there!"

Ok, well you finished below the promoted team from AAA at the end of the season. What you're really telling me is that they proved they deserved a spot in Pro more than you do, and I don't see what's wrong with keeping the better team in Pro.

my question with the format that some people have presented is that if all 8 teams that dont make the playoffs in the WL get replaced from someone from their original coference wouldnt that just be putting worse team in the World League? Lets say the Benitos somehow miss the playoffs in the WL, so they get replaced by MPHD or SOAP, both are great teams but just not on the level of the Benitos. If we do a World League shouldnt the very best teams be in it every year? My suggestion is a play in game, where if a team is up for demotion from the WL they have to play 1 play in game against the team trying to take their spot. This way we know we have the very best teams in the league. Maybe im way off base on this, but I think this would be a way we could insure the best of the best teams our in the WL.

Originally posted by vike fan 4 life
my question with the format that some people have presented is that if all 8 teams that dont make the playoffs in the WL get replaced from someone from their original coference wouldnt that just be putting worse team in the World League? Lets say the Benitos somehow miss the playoffs in the WL, so they get replaced by MPHD or SOAP, both are great teams but just not on the level of the Benitos. If we do a World League shouldnt the very best teams be in it every year? My suggestion is a play in game, where if a team is up for demotion from the WL they have to play 1 play in game against the team trying to take their spot. This way we know we have the very best teams in the league. Maybe im way off base on this, but I think this would be a way we could insure the best of the best teams our in the WL.

If the benitos don't make the playoffs they are the best team that season