Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Maddoc
And I know it is difficult for you of all people to understand, dbride, but just because someone can recognize something is shitty and broken doesn't mean they're trying to push their own agenda. My players will be fine without any changes to SAs as they stand, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed.

and noones saying they shouldnt be fixed...

Originally posted by Victory Jones
Originally posted by Maddoc

And I know it is difficult for you of all people to understand, dbride, but just because someone can recognize something is shitty and broken doesn't mean they're trying to push their own agenda. My players will be fine without any changes to SAs as they stand, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed.

and noones saying they shouldnt be fixed...



Actually dbride was pretty much explicitly saying they shouldn't be fixed.

Originally posted by Maddoc
So he wants shitty SAs to remain shitty because he doesn't want to feel cheated, and you want shitty SAs to remain shitty to.. what, punish people who spent points in them?

I just want to make sure I know where everyone stands on this.

I don't care what happens. I build fast strong agile dots, who can support 3aeq pieces, I am simply telling you why things are the way they are. If you would have made a thread crying about sa's sucking 90% of the game would have told you to fix ur builds.

The thing you need you need to realize is the shitty players have shitty builds so turning up sa's isn't going to help any of the mediocre dots, all it is going to do is fuck up the sim more than you realize. The sim has been essentially a 14 season project at getting everything to work a certain way. Taking away % stacks, and then in turn making shitty va's work is going to completely destroy certain interactions. De's for example. Currently all pass blocking sa's suck. Take away break block %, and make the pass blocking sa's work and the pass blocking is going to be back to 1 sack a season for great dt's. I am just saying it is going to fuck a lot of things up, and I don't think bort is going to want this change to happen, after all he is the one who coded them to not work in the 1st place.

Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by Maddoc

So he wants shitty SAs to remain shitty because he doesn't want to feel cheated, and you want shitty SAs to remain shitty to.. what, punish people who spent points in them?

I just want to make sure I know where everyone stands on this.

I don't care what happens. I build fast strong agile dots, who can support 3aeq pieces, I am simply telling you why things are the way they are. If you would have made a thread crying about sa's sucking 90% of the game would have told you to fix ur builds.

The thing you need you need to realize is the shitty players have shitty builds so turning up sa's isn't going to help any of the mediocre dots, all it is going to do is fuck up the sim more than you realize. The sim has been essentially a 14 season project at getting everything to work a certain way. Taking away % stacks, and then in turn making shitty va's work is going to completely destroy certain interactions. De's for example. Currently all pass blocking sa's suck. Take away break block %, and make the pass blocking sa's work and the pass blocking is going to be back to 1 sack a season for great dt's. I am just saying it is going to fuck a lot of things up, and I don't think bort is going to want this change to happen, after all he is the one who coded them to not work in the 1st place.

This isn't about fixing shitty builds, I know you have a habit of trying to steer every discussion in that direction, but there is no point in having "fake choices" that are so awful nobody takes them.

Originally posted by Maddoc
And I know it is difficult for you of all people to understand, dbride, but just because someone can recognize something is shitty and broken doesn't mean they're trying to push their own agenda. My players will be fine without any changes to SAs as they stand, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed.

You recognize sa's don't work? Holy shit you're really smart man. So does every dot in the wl. Take valhalla and CB add up their lb'ers sa's and you have the same number as if you answered how many girls you've ever communicated with. You don't get it.

Originally posted by Maddoc
This isn't about fixing shitty builds, I know you have a habit of trying to steer every discussion in that direction, but there is no point in having "fake choices" that are so awful nobody takes them.

I agree, the point is why they don't work. People have been screaming from the rooftops for 13 seasons and little trolls like you said fixurbuilds. Go ahead turn them on, Bort turned them all off for a reason, I eagerly await all sa's to work equally

Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by Maddoc

And I know it is difficult for you of all people to understand, dbride, but just because someone can recognize something is shitty and broken doesn't mean they're trying to push their own agenda. My players will be fine without any changes to SAs as they stand, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed.

You recognize sa's don't work? Holy shit you're really smart man. So does every dot in the wl. Take valhalla and CB add up their lb'ers sa's and you have the same number as if you answered how many girls you've ever communicated with. You don't get it.

Right, so everybody realizes SAs don't work.

So please explain why you are so against fixing them so that they become a viable choice in the future?

Originally posted by Maddoc
Right, so everybody realizes SAs don't work.

So please explain why you are so against fixing them so that they become a viable choice in the future?

because his perceived super built players dont have them

LDO

Originally posted by Deathblade
because his perceived super built players dont have them

LDO

Really? Originally posted by Deathblade
because his perceived super built players dont have them

LDO

I just added up the amount of sp's you have placed into sa's on your players.

0

IMGUDATMATH

So the sim will need to be balanced to take working SAs into account, that really doesn't seem so incredibly outlandish to me tbh.

I mean, you could maybe make an argument for taking out SAs entirely because they're shit and making them better would imbalance things, but leaving them in and also leaving them shitty is probably the absolute worst choice out of anything.

Originally posted by Maddoc
So the sim will need to be balanced to take working SAs into account, that really doesn't seem so incredibly outlandish to me tbh.

I mean, you could maybe make an argument for taking out SAs entirely because they're shit and making them better would imbalance things, but leaving them in and also leaving them shitty is probably the absolute worst choice out of anything.

Yeah, truthfully I don't have the answer. It is no secret that most don't work tho, so why the hell did bort spend 14 seasons making them worse every season? Pretty sure he did it that way to turn shit down for more realism. I just don't think it is as easy as "Balancing the sa's" To me that is like saying "Fix the sim". They have their work cut out that is for sure

Originally posted by Jiddy78
Originally posted by Jiddy78

What happens to a 4th piece?



Catch edited this in the announcement http://goallineblitz.com/game/announcement.pl?id=311

Originally posted by Catch22
4th piece would be 12.5% - not sure anyone would ever go there but I'll go ahead and clarify the OP.