Warrior General Games

Originally posted by EagleOtto
Any test on the second play in the 4th quarter, maybe second wind doesnt activate until after the first play of the 4th Q

Hey, I'd be cool with that...If someone would just say that is how it works. Except it says at the Start of the fouth quarter.


Second Wind
Crunch time brings out the best in some players. Each level of Second Wind gives an extra +2 energy refill at the start of the fourth quarter.

figuring out VA's still? wow.

Was every single VA tested before being implemented?

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
Originally posted by EagleOtto

Any test on the second play in the 4th quarter, maybe second wind doesnt activate until after the first play of the 4th Q

Hey, I'd be cool with that...If someone would just say that is how it works. Except it says at the Start of the fouth quarter.


Second Wind
Crunch time brings out the best in some players. Each level of Second Wind gives an extra +2 energy refill at the start of the fourth quarter.

I understand, there seems to be an obvious bug, maybe something is up that is easily fixable, like the sim not recognizing its the 4th Q until after the first play is ran

Originally posted by EagleOtto
Originally posted by DONKEIDIC

Originally posted by EagleOtto


Any test on the second play in the 4th quarter, maybe second wind doesnt activate until after the first play of the 4th Q

Hey, I'd be cool with that...If someone would just say that is how it works. Except it says at the Start of the fouth quarter.


Second Wind
Crunch time brings out the best in some players. Each level of Second Wind gives an extra +2 energy refill at the start of the fourth quarter.

I understand, there seems to be an obvious bug, maybe something is up that is easily fixable, like the sim not recognizing its the 4th Q until after the first play is ran

I am cool with that. Again I am not asking for a reset. If someone can explain how this can happen when working as stated/intended, I'll be fine. If it isn't working fix it, and I'll be happy.

It definitely goes off. I have tested it on my dev box where it prints some debug info when it fires, and there's a big output at the start of the 4th quarter. Perhaps the issue isn't that it doesn't go off, but that it doesn't give a big enough energy boost to be noticeable by the end of the game's energy review. Also, how much stamina do the players who are using it have? If they have like 20 or 30, it's not going to do as much good since they just tire out quickly after the boost anyway.

Originally posted by Bort
It definitely goes off. I have tested it on my dev box where it prints some debug info when it fires, and there's a big output at the start of the 4th quarter. Perhaps the issue isn't that it doesn't go off, but that it doesn't give a big enough energy boost to be noticeable by the end of the game's energy review. Also, how much stamina do the players who are using it have? If they have like 20 or 30, it's not going to do as much good since they just tire out quickly after the boost anyway.

My player that uses it has 49 stamina.

Originally posted by Bort
It definitely goes off. I have tested it on my dev box where it prints some debug info when it fires, and there's a big output at the start of the 4th quarter. Perhaps the issue isn't that it doesn't go off, but that it doesn't give a big enough energy boost to be noticeable by the end of the game's energy review. Also, how much stamina do the players who are using it have? If they have like 20 or 30, it's not going to do as much good since they just tire out quickly after the boost anyway.

40+ Stamina. But how can it be that the starting, #1 on the depth chart, player can have more energy than his backup on the last play of the third, and then have less energy, and not be in on the first play of the fourth?

Player: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=835991

Last play of the 3rd Q: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=573698&pbp_id=18331001

First play of the 4th Q: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=573698&pbp_id=18331224

Unless the 3rd Q play used 20+ points of energy. In which case Second wind would definitely not be worth it.

Originally posted by Sal Basss


How do you know that Second Wind would give you +20 energy at level 10? From the VA description it really isn't clear to me that a +2 energy refill = +20 energy at the start of the 4th. Maybe that is what it means, maybe it isn't. My point was that I don't think anyone knows for sure.

This is the misconception IMO. The wording lends itself to make you think that you could conceivably start every 4th qtr at 100 energy if you are at or above 70 energy ending in the 3rd qtr.

Either it's broken or Sal is correct in that energy refill is different than energy (as seen at the end of game summary reports).

Well, I'm just putting it out there that second wind doesn't bring out the best of my players during crunch time.

Originally posted by hookem888
Originally posted by Sal Basss



How do you know that Second Wind would give you +20 energy at level 10? From the VA description it really isn't clear to me that a +2 energy refill = +20 energy at the start of the 4th. Maybe that is what it means, maybe it isn't. My point was that I don't think anyone knows for sure.

This is the misconception IMO. The wording lends itself to make you think that you could conceivably start every 4th qtr at 100 energy if you are at or above 70 energy ending in the 3rd qtr.

Either it's broken or Sal is correct in that energy refill is different than energy (as seen at the end of game summary reports).


If that's the case, and it isn't +2 energy per point in Second Wind, reset pl0x.

Also end game energy would not be a good indicator of it working imo.

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
Also end game energy would not be a good indicator of it working imo.



I figured it should be higher than most..but I guess I had the wrong meaning of the VA

It should be the same. You still come out of the game when you are tired. You get tired at a certain level. Thus you will still hover around the same at the end of the game.

Originally posted by DONKEIDIC
It should be the same. You still come out of the game when you are tired. You get tired at a certain level. Thus you will still hover around the same at the end of the game.

Well that (and the rest of this thread) totally changes depending on teh sub settings.