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Roctronic
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Somehow I doubt that .

I have seen many routes where the CB just gets flat out beat by 120 Speed/80 Agility WR's. I do agree that the difference between 120 and 100 isn't "that" noticeable, but there isnt enough time to truly notice it.

Feel free to keep all of your WR's and CB's at 90 Speed against my team, hell I will encourage it
 
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by jrry32


Bort, does higher catching or confidence lead to a QB to look your WR's way more times?


It can; if you're better than your defender you tend to get more looks.


Yea but lets say you have 2 WRs that are getting about equal seperation and one has higher confidence and catching, is the QB going to look his way first because of the higher catching or confidence? I am wondering if catching or confidence kind of works like go to guy, the WR with the highest of it will get the first look.


It's pretty uncommon for them to be EXACTLY the same risk value based on separation, but if it happened, then yes the guy with better abilities would get the target.
 
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Ok thanks Bort.
 
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Originally posted by JohnnyDollar
It seems a LB, SS, or FS, considering he has high enough vision, would still benefit from heavy speed as he usually doesn't have to do as many cuts as an offensive player. They usually pick a line and run to it. Is there something I'm not thinking of?


They have to react to all the direction changes of the offensive player in less time than the offensive player has to do it, so I would think LB and SS would favor more agility than the offensive player while the FS does the most pick-an-angle-and-run work so he might want tons of speed.

This is a great discussion, I come down on the side of diminishing returns, and not just for speed. Much the way you can only cover a distance so fast for speed, you can't have more than a 100% chance to do anything. So returns HAVE TO either stop 100% or more likely diminish as you approach it. In a break block roll, it would seem that strength would eventually stop helping you get closer to 100% chance of breaking or holding the block and confidence or agility would start have a more noticeable effect on results. But it is possible that the rolls are based on the difference between he two players, in which case the decay would be lessened greatly.

It does seem that SAs and VAs would make the higher attributes more potent, but if you have more speed, you'll have less of something else. This makes the discussion of "all other things equal" kind of moot, because the limited nature of SP means that the other things can't be equal--assuming both are built properly.

anyway, nice discussion.
 
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steellitium = flames54

If not, then it must be someone who knows him IRL or something.

The avatar, the extremely sound, yet vague build advise, the educated tone of his posts, the fact that he only has a few peewees, yet knows quite a bit about the upper levels......

flames has to be involved in this somehow. Not that thats a problem, I miss all the old flames54 posts, happy to have him back on the forums.

Does anyone know who steellitium is from before the last few days? I'vbe never seen him post before, yet he's posted quite a bit lately.
 
23yrwej
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Originally posted by Pseudot
steellitium = flames54

If not, then it must be someone who knows him IRL or something.

The avatar, the extremely sound, yet vague build advise, the educated tone of his posts, the fact that he only has a few peewees, yet knows quite a bit about the upper levels......

flames has to be involved in this somehow. Not that thats a problem, I miss all the old flames54 posts, happy to have him back on the forums.

Does anyone know who steellitium is from before the last few days? I'vbe never seen him post before, yet he's posted quite a bit lately.


Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?
 
Deathblade
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Originally posted by jrry32
Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


To prove a point?

What made him ragequit anyway, I can't remember?
Edited by Deathblade on Jun 19, 2009 15:33:45
 
Pseudot
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Pseudot

steellitium = flames54

If not, then it must be someone who knows him IRL or something.

The avatar, the extremely sound, yet vague build advise, the educated tone of his posts, the fact that he only has a few peewees, yet knows quite a bit about the upper levels......

flames has to be involved in this somehow. Not that thats a problem, I miss all the old flames54 posts, happy to have him back on the forums.

Does anyone know who steellitium is from before the last few days? I'vbe never seen him post before, yet he's posted quite a bit lately.


Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


That's the only part I don't understand. Although he did say that he was leaving for good, coming back would cause him to lose face a little bit. *shrug*
 
23yrwej
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Originally posted by Pseudot
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by Pseudot


steellitium = flames54

If not, then it must be someone who knows him IRL or something.

The avatar, the extremely sound, yet vague build advise, the educated tone of his posts, the fact that he only has a few peewees, yet knows quite a bit about the upper levels......

flames has to be involved in this somehow. Not that thats a problem, I miss all the old flames54 posts, happy to have him back on the forums.

Does anyone know who steellitium is from before the last few days? I'vbe never seen him post before, yet he's posted quite a bit lately.


Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


That's the only part I don't understand. Although he did say that he was leaving for good, coming back would cause him to lose face a little bit. *shrug*


He came back once.

 
23yrwej
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by jrry32

Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


To prove a point?

What made him ragequit anyway, I can't remember?


He never did ragequit, he had RL shit and got tired of the game.
 
Deathblade
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Anyway, since we are having a Q&A with Bort...does higher speed make it more difficult for QB's to lead a WR?
 
pottsman
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Deathblade

Originally posted by jrry32


Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


To prove a point?

What made him ragequit anyway, I can't remember?


He never did ragequit, he had RL shit and got tired of the game.


I thought he quit during Testergate.
 
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Originally posted by NiborRis
So does Speed factor into acceleration at all, or is it purely Agility, with Speed just being the top speed you can hit?

I did an experimental build HB with more than twice as much speed as agility and he accelerates very quickly. The part where low agility kills him is if he has to make a cut, since low agility drops his speed to a much lower level that he has to accelerate from again, but speed unquestionably is a major factor in acceleration.

 
23yrwej
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Anyway, since we are having a Q&A with Bort...does higher speed make it more difficult for QB's to lead a WR?


Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Doc

Originally posted by Bort


Originally posted by jamz



Also have to consider that often times after a catch, dots stop to make the catch, then have to accelerate from 0 again


Or slow down to catch the ball because it's not led far enough or poorly thrown.


First Step only activates from a dead stop. Or is the tool tip wrong?




Yes, it's from a dead stop or close to it (there's a little leeway for having a very tiny movement vector). I'm referring to the fact that that SPEED SPEED SPEED doesn't necessarily give you as much when your QB can't lead you properly, or you have to slow down to make cuts. While you're waiting for the ball to get there, the defender has a chance to catch up.
 
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Pseudot

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by Pseudot



steellitium = flames54

If not, then it must be someone who knows him IRL or something.

The avatar, the extremely sound, yet vague build advise, the educated tone of his posts, the fact that he only has a few peewees, yet knows quite a bit about the upper levels......

flames has to be involved in this somehow. Not that thats a problem, I miss all the old flames54 posts, happy to have him back on the forums.

Does anyone know who steellitium is from before the last few days? I'vbe never seen him post before, yet he's posted quite a bit lately.


Why wouldn't Flames just come back as Flames with all the flex he has in his account?


That's the only part I don't understand. Although he did say that he was leaving for good, coming back would cause him to lose face a little bit. *shrug*


He came back once.



True, and maybe I'm wrong and he has nothing to do with steellitium. Either way it sure sounds like him, and thats a compliment to steellithium (whoever he is).
 
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