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i think getting something like this in place now would make life MUCH easier later.

look at the problems and complaints that have occurred in the last few weeks...

now multiply that by the next few years...

good foresight I believe

Originally posted by Arsilan
As a founder of the GLB united owner's assoc.

I think this is the best idea yet

A founder not the founder

that would be me

Originally posted by JDaniels127
I think you guys should seriously weed through and find some top of the line "Admins" or slightly below admins to help run the more legal issues involved in the games such as one that is at the top of the players union and at the top of the owners union. As this game grows the amount of time for you (Bort and DD) to actually review EVERY case would be difficult. Just IMHO, I think you should put some other people in charge of carrying out those tasks.

Every case would be reviewed by the association. If the case is voted to be necessary to review then we would pass it on to Bort and DD. Mostly though Bort and DD will keep a hands off mantra on this issue. Mainly because the guys running it will be trusted members and it will be a board of directors rather than one individual.

I most certainly agree with the notion that top level owners should be in it and although I'm not an owner in the USA Pro League or any pro league for that matter (the Canada AA league to be exact), I did found the organization so I would like to see guys working with me to promote better business and ways of communicating with players and staff.

Thanks

Mike
Owner Blacksburg Ballers
Founder GLB: Owners Assocation

i dont know about having ALL the owners as the group that hashes out fines and unfair trades, etc.

but a core group, definitely. maybe a panel of 10 or so owners, preferably upstanding owners.
and maybe throw in a few of the GMs who dont own teams. id offer to help out with that, maybe having some of the GMs would give another perspective on things as well.

Originally posted by redskins0756
Originally posted by Arsilan

As a founder of the GLB united owner's assoc.

I think this is the best idea yet

A founder not the founder

that would be me

so a skins fan founded the owners association? sweet.

i think this is a horrible decision; any owner/player imbalances should be handled by something designed into the system, and not some high tribunal.

Horrible, horrible idea. People will get screwed.

Originally posted by Necrostalker
You could simply take active players that are willing and mature/intelligent people and have them commish over certain leagues.

If they actually play the game, like have a team or players just pass a rule that they cannot have any type of conflict of interest. Simply don't allow them to commish over leagues they have players or teams in.

Eventually this will grow beyond the admins control, at the rate it's going now. The good thing is, you could probably find level headed players who would be willing to commish leagues and settle disputes (do work) for free.

The problem I see with getting together a entire organization of people to govern themselves is that every Joe Shmoe will be talking over the other and nothing will get done. You don't want a bureaucracy when things happen so quickly.

Just my 2 or 3 cents.

I agree, the only thing is that the way you have it structured it just would be way too confusing. Some people have players in almost every league and multiple teams as well. So active owners who would qualify as a director would get bumped because they own a player/team in every league. So I would say just 3 owners from each league review complaints on the league level. Then if the complaint is voted to be valid, it is submitted for review by the GLB committee that consists of 10 active owners who are major contributors to the site. These owners would then make a decision with majority vote necessary to make any sort of action on the complaint. Now not all 10 owners are needed to be present. At least 7 must be active in order to vote on a complaint. This ensures that if all the owners are not on at the same time then decisions can move rapidly. Players who submit complaints must mark it into a specific category (I'm thinking contract, trades, exploits, ect.) so as to keep things moving. Also a complaint that has been marked to go to the national board must be reviewed within 2 days otherwise an email comes to each owner indicating the issue has not been resolved.

These are just some preliminary ideas. A formal "constitution" can be drafted once the directors are chosen, but those are my ideas for now. Please feel free to comment on them.

Thanks

Mike

Sounds like a great idea

Originally posted by redskins0756


So I would say just 3 owners from each league review complaints on the league level. Then if the complaint is voted to be valid, it is submitted for review by the GLB committee that consists of 10 active owners who are major contributors to the site. These owners would then make a decision with majority vote necessary to make any sort of action on the complaint.

You could expand that and let all the owners in a league vote. Then you'd have every possible bias covered. You'd just need a league forum for each league to conduct its business in. When it's passed up to the committee, it should have some value since it comes as the will of the league in question. In fact, it's possible you wouldn't even need the larger committee. Owners in each league could police that particular league.

Originally posted by Hagetaka
i think this is a horrible decision; any owner/player imbalances should be handled by something designed into the system, and not some high tribunal.

Horrible, horrible idea. People will get screwed.

I beg to differ.

Currently players don't have any way to express complaints except directly to the admins who are busy doing more important things. Also the owners chosen to be a part of the board of directors will have to meet certain requirements and Bort and DD must approve them.

Also the idea that Bort has submitted technically is going to be "designed into the system". He said that the GLBOA could override trades that are clearly unfair or exploiting the game and keeping an honor code among honors.

Originally posted by Tank Basterson
Originally posted by redskins0756

Originally posted by Necrostalker


You could simply take active players that are willing and mature/intelligent people and have them commish over certain leagues.

If they actually play the game, like have a team or players just pass a rule that they cannot have any type of conflict of interest. Simply don't allow them to commish over leagues they have players or teams in.

Eventually this will grow beyond the admins control, at the rate it's going now. The good thing is, you could probably find level headed players who would be willing to commish leagues and settle disputes (do work) for free.

The problem I see with getting together a entire organization of people to govern themselves is that every Joe Shmoe will be talking over the other and nothing will get done. You don't want a bureaucracy when things happen so quickly.

Just my 2 or 3 cents.

So I would say just 3 owners from each league review complaints on the league level. Then if the complaint is voted to be valid, it is submitted for review by the GLB committee that consists of 10 active owners who are major contributors to the site. These owners would then make a decision with majority vote necessary to make any sort of action on the complaint.

You could expand that and let all the owners in a league vote. Then you'd have every possible bias covered. You'd just need a league forum for each league to conduct its business in. When it's passed up to the committee, it should have some value since it comes as the will of the league in question. In fact, it's possible you wouldn't even need the larger committee. Owners in each league could police that particular league.

I think a league vote system would be a good idea as opposed to the 3 owners in each league. Complaints might not even have to reach the national board if the owners can compromise on the local level. However keeping a national committee is necessary if the dispute can not be settled by the owners in the league.

Also the national level of owners would be needed to draft a "constitution" of rules/regulations.

i am down with being part of an organized owners union. i treat all my players with respect and what i promised them in there contracts i have done it.

this is making a simple game complicated. Just hire a mod to take care of the problems and present the cases to you admins. If you are a casual user and you have to figure out this new Association structure (which will become critical), it is a turn off to read guidelines and legal documents.

oh, a competition committee? just like the real thing =P

now where is the collective bargaining agreement..i want a piece of the owner's revenue ^^