PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
The only complaint I have about he change in the tackling area is it should've happened a long time ago. to hear people say all you have to do is wrap a guy up and he's takled is horsecrap. Seeing guys tackle with a tackling stat of 12 just as well as guys that have a tackle of 35 that is horsecrap. seeing little babies whine cause they've spent their XP on speed and not tackling.....PRICELESS.
Good job Bort!!!! makes it more realistic!!!
For what it's worth, I agree with you regarding TKLing to a great extent. I'll even take it farther. I think a player with anything less than 25 tkl being able to go a full game without missing a TKL was ridiculous. Hell, a tkl of 35 is low in my book. I even understand broken tkls against a 50 + TKL player, but not the double digits against those type of players I'm seeing over and over and over as I review games. Still, I can live with that, so long as there is some heads up on what level of change one can expect.
I'm just glad that I haven't boosted any of the guys on my team yet. I feel sorry for those that did. Superpunk is right. As it is now, a lot of players may as well retire and start over...They're toast for many seasons to come.
I'd agree that there shouldn't be double digit broken tackles against 50+ TKL players, unless they were facing unusually fantastic power backs (say, with 70 strength and 10 Power Thru; but I'd guess backs like that are quite rare).
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
The only complaint I have about he change in the tackling area is it should've happened a long time ago. to hear people say all you have to do is wrap a guy up and he's takled is horsecrap. Seeing guys tackle with a tackling stat of 12 just as well as guys that have a tackle of 35 that is horsecrap. seeing little babies whine cause they've spent their XP on speed and not tackling.....PRICELESS.
Good job Bort!!!! makes it more realistic!!!
For what it's worth, I agree with you regarding TKLing to a great extent. I'll even take it farther. I think a player with anything less than 25 tkl being able to go a full game without missing a TKL was ridiculous. Hell, a tkl of 35 is low in my book. I even understand broken tkls against a 50 + TKL player, but not the double digits against those type of players I'm seeing over and over and over as I review games. Still, I can live with that, so long as there is some heads up on what level of change one can expect.
I'm just glad that I haven't boosted any of the guys on my team yet. I feel sorry for those that did. Superpunk is right. As it is now, a lot of players may as well retire and start over...They're toast for many seasons to come.
I'd agree that there shouldn't be double digit broken tackles against 50+ TKL players, unless they were facing unusually fantastic power backs (say, with 70 strength and 10 Power Thru; but I'd guess backs like that are quite rare).
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Strength is back, IMO.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
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Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
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I do rememebr seeing a post of strength + Tackle + agility i the tackle formula with the ratio at 3:2:1 to firgure it out. maybe the wrap up setting removed the need for the tackle to be at a certain level and now it does. Alright you got me there PP that's a pretty bad performance I went from having 10 tackels a game to 5 tackles an 3 missed. I've had a few 2 missed last season with a bunch of tackles but nothing like this.
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
It really has a lot to do with who he was trying to tackle, too, plus there are always random factors.
I'd say in general, with the players that exist mostly now, mid-40s TKL should be enough to make most tackles.
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
It really has a lot to do with who he was trying to tackle, too, plus there are always random factors.
I'd say in general, with the players that exist mostly now, mid-40s TKL should be enough to make most tackles.
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Originally posted by superpunk
Strength is back, IMO.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
I think STR was huge on O even before these changes. Some of the most productive players I've ever made at several skill positions have had maxed str.
Strength is back, IMO.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
I think STR was huge on O even before these changes. Some of the most productive players I've ever made at several skill positions have had maxed str.
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Originally posted by Ken1
Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
It really has a lot to do with who he was trying to tackle, too, plus there are always random factors.
I'd say in general, with the players that exist mostly now, mid-40s TKL should be enough to make most tackles.
You could very well be right, and I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Bort tweaks it back a little too.
Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
PP how high of levels ar you seeing for the missed tackles????
a mid 40s I know was set to wrapup. I've found a few open builds that were higher, with a ton of missed tkls, but I have no clue what their tkling was set to.
It really has a lot to do with who he was trying to tackle, too, plus there are always random factors.
I'd say in general, with the players that exist mostly now, mid-40s TKL should be enough to make most tackles.
You could very well be right, and I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Bort tweaks it back a little too.
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Originally posted by PP
Originally posted by superpunk
Strength is back, IMO.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
I think STR was huge on O even before these changes. Some of the most productive players I've ever made at several skill positions have had maxed str.
I GM a team with a power back who had STR above 50 and power SA's, and against teams as good as ours he'd break only 1 or 2 tackles in 30 rushing attempts or whatever.
It was way too weak, and moreover Tackling was way too unnecessary on defense. We also had a LB with Tackling in the 20s who missed only two tackles all season.
Originally posted by superpunk
Strength is back, IMO.
Our strong safety has a strength of about 45 and a tackling of slightly more than 40. He led our team with 4 missed tackles, I think because our opponent has a really strong TE who dominated on offense, tbh.
I have not heard back from him on whether he was set to wrap up or not.
I think STR was huge on O even before these changes. Some of the most productive players I've ever made at several skill positions have had maxed str.
I GM a team with a power back who had STR above 50 and power SA's, and against teams as good as ours he'd break only 1 or 2 tackles in 30 rushing attempts or whatever.
It was way too weak, and moreover Tackling was way too unnecessary on defense. We also had a LB with Tackling in the 20s who missed only two tackles all season.
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So a LB should have 50+ tackling, 40 strength for sure. And good agility - 40 at least. And at least a bit speed, lets say 40 too. And vision, 40 for sure. And stamina at 35. And confidence at 30, for he'll be missing a few tackles. Jumping a bit, at least 15. And of course some SAs.
b.t.w.: get that by lv. 20, otherwise you'll not be of any use anymore.
Interesting. Very interesting.
At the same time, a RB dumb as hell and caring only about strength, decent speed and a bit carrying is becoming a star.
Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
My prediction: pretty soon some guys will figure out that the average NFL-game has not nearly as much broken tackles as a GLB-game. And averages are all that counts, right Mr. Ken1? Dissenting option, Mr. Roadgrabber?
b.t.w.: get that by lv. 20, otherwise you'll not be of any use anymore.
Interesting. Very interesting.
At the same time, a RB dumb as hell and caring only about strength, decent speed and a bit carrying is becoming a star.
Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
My prediction: pretty soon some guys will figure out that the average NFL-game has not nearly as much broken tackles as a GLB-game. And averages are all that counts, right Mr. Ken1? Dissenting option, Mr. Roadgrabber?
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I've got a 12th level with a tackling of 32 so I'd say by lvl 20 it should be at least 40.
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Originally posted by RAPB
So a LB should have 50+ tackling, 40 strength for sure. And good agility - 40 at least. And at least a bit speed, lets say 40 too. And vision, 40 for sure. And stamina at 35. And confidence at 30, for he'll be missing a few tackles. Jumping a bit, at least 15. And of course some SAs.
b.t.w.: get that by lv. 20, otherwise you'll not be of any use anymore.
Interesting. Very interesting.
At the same time, a RB dumb as hell and caring only about strength, decent speed and a bit carrying is becoming a star.
Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
My prediction: pretty soon some guys will figure out that the average NFL-game has not nearly as much broken tackles as a GLB-game. And averages are all that counts, right Mr. Ken1? Dissenting option, Mr. Roadgrabber?
LB's are usually big guys, not all that fast, They shouldn't be able to "afford" 40 speed at level 20, needing those points in tackling. Their job is to tackle. And against power backs they all miss some.
We should see sustained 70 yard TD drives, which we didn't see last season.
There remain some bugs, but this looks like it will be a more realistic season.
Should the LB on the team I GM have been able to get by with tackling barely over 20 and only 2 missed tackles all year? Of course not!
So a LB should have 50+ tackling, 40 strength for sure. And good agility - 40 at least. And at least a bit speed, lets say 40 too. And vision, 40 for sure. And stamina at 35. And confidence at 30, for he'll be missing a few tackles. Jumping a bit, at least 15. And of course some SAs.
b.t.w.: get that by lv. 20, otherwise you'll not be of any use anymore.
Interesting. Very interesting.
At the same time, a RB dumb as hell and caring only about strength, decent speed and a bit carrying is becoming a star.
Interesting. Very interesting indeed.
My prediction: pretty soon some guys will figure out that the average NFL-game has not nearly as much broken tackles as a GLB-game. And averages are all that counts, right Mr. Ken1? Dissenting option, Mr. Roadgrabber?
LB's are usually big guys, not all that fast, They shouldn't be able to "afford" 40 speed at level 20, needing those points in tackling. Their job is to tackle. And against power backs they all miss some.
We should see sustained 70 yard TD drives, which we didn't see last season.
There remain some bugs, but this looks like it will be a more realistic season.
Should the LB on the team I GM have been able to get by with tackling barely over 20 and only 2 missed tackles all year? Of course not!
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UCHI_MATA_MASTER
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hell no Ken if one of my guys at the school showed up with what in the real world would be a tackle 20 he'd be hitting some dummies for days and cleaning benches with his butt
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Here's what I don't get. Three players on the same DL:
Player 1 (DE) has 30 str, 28 tackling and is set to wrap up: 9 tackles, 0 missed
Player 2 (DT) had 71 str, 51 tackling and is set to wrap up: 2 tackles, 1 missed
Player 3 (DT) had 62 str, 40 tackling and is set to wrap up: 1 tackle, 4 missed
All were against the same RB. I don't get how high str/tackle DTs have 3 tackles and 5 missed while exactly the guy who should be hurt (under 30 tackling) goes 9-0 on tackles. It just seems to me that DTs are going to miss some tackles because of being blocked or not fully engaged. Everything else seemed to make sense (high tackle LBs didn't miss any, but low tackle DBs missed a handful). It just was weird when I saw the above DL numbers.
Player 1 (DE) has 30 str, 28 tackling and is set to wrap up: 9 tackles, 0 missed
Player 2 (DT) had 71 str, 51 tackling and is set to wrap up: 2 tackles, 1 missed
Player 3 (DT) had 62 str, 40 tackling and is set to wrap up: 1 tackle, 4 missed
All were against the same RB. I don't get how high str/tackle DTs have 3 tackles and 5 missed while exactly the guy who should be hurt (under 30 tackling) goes 9-0 on tackles. It just seems to me that DTs are going to miss some tackles because of being blocked or not fully engaged. Everything else seemed to make sense (high tackle LBs didn't miss any, but low tackle DBs missed a handful). It just was weird when I saw the above DL numbers.
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Originally posted by UCHI_MATA_MASTER
hell no Ken if one of my guys at the school showed up with what in the real world would be a tackle 20 he'd be hitting some dummies for days and cleaning benches with his butt
Yep. We had a guy with CB attributes playing LB. Now, as a team we decided to wait for boosting until after scrimmages, so in the end he'll be fine. He'll just have to add all 15 points to Tackling.
As long as higher Tackling really helps enough (and I'll admit the jury is still out on that; there may need to be some extra help for those who actually have 40+ Tackling), this change is fantastic.
hell no Ken if one of my guys at the school showed up with what in the real world would be a tackle 20 he'd be hitting some dummies for days and cleaning benches with his butt
Yep. We had a guy with CB attributes playing LB. Now, as a team we decided to wait for boosting until after scrimmages, so in the end he'll be fine. He'll just have to add all 15 points to Tackling.
As long as higher Tackling really helps enough (and I'll admit the jury is still out on that; there may need to be some extra help for those who actually have 40+ Tackling), this change is fantastic.
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