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Maddoc
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Originally posted by kalkmanc

Here are the first preseason game totals for USAPL, one game was a 188-0 blowout which had 9 sacks, but i still included it.

Washington vs.Washington
44 Pass attempts,1 Sack= 45 Passing plays
Minnesota vs Northwest Arkansas
87 Pass attemps, 3 sacks, = 90 Passing plays
Compton vs Carolina
94 Pass Attempts, 11 sacks =105 Passing Plays
Washington vs Dread City
57 pass attempts,9 sacks= 66 Passing Plays
Nashville vs Over The Rhine
69 Pass attempts, 6 sacks=75 Passing Plays
Cincinatti vs San Diego
71 Pass attempts, 1 sack= 72 Passing plays
NY CA vs Pittsburgh 188-0 Blowout
91 Pass attempts, 9 sacks=100 Passing Plays
HHW vs ***O***
98 Pass attempts, 6 sacks=104 Passing Plays
MEM vs New Jersey
66 Pass attempts, 4 sacks=70 Passing Plays
Texas vs Indianapolis
60 Pass attempts, 4 sacks= 64 Passing Plays
Lincoln vs DDL
104 Pass attempts, 7 sacks=111 Passing Plays
San Diego vs Cleveland
98 Pass Attempts,3 sacks=101 Passing Plays
Richey vs Chicago
102 Pass attempts, 4 sacks= 106 Passing Plays
Parma vs Columbus
56 Pass attempts, 14 sacks= 70 Passing Plays
Alpine vs Ketch
32 Pass Attempts,0 Sacks =32 Passing Plays
WSI vs South Otto
55 Pass Attempts, 8 sacks=63 Passing Plays

Totals: 90 Sacks on 1274 Pass Plays = 7%

So,7% in the preseason in USAPL when noone is trying and people are experimenting with tactics....Seems like a good # to me. I bet that would drop a percent in the regular season.

I hope my math is right :S
 
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by dpride59

Vision lb'ers


I meant successful positions/players.

Is it really really difficult to build any of the standard positions? Is it difficult to pump throwing to 73, then get random other attributes to 60-68? Is it tough to pump Strength to 73, then load up on Power Through?

I mean honestly, once you "know" what works, is there any real difficulty in actually doing it?


Agreed
 
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Originally posted by tdm13
O-Line players who whine can go to hell.


So can D-Line players. You will never need to fix a build if you just build correctly in the first place. The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.
 
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Originally posted by Bukowski
No, you can make a run blocking OT, and still have plenty enough Speed and Agility.

I'm telling you, OTs are ridiculously easy to build. They're the easiest position to build on the game, still.


No position is a challenge to build.
 
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Originally posted by dpride59
Originally posted by Mat McBriar

Originally posted by jrry32


I had some things that if I had said them, I would have gotten banned so I will just say, well built OTs aren't having problems.


Meh, my OT got hit up pretty good in a preseason game (was responsible for at least 3 sacks). Good DEs > Good OTs. We keep avoiding a good balance w/ the O-Line/D-Line. Finding a middle ground is tough.


Then why does this de of yours have only 1 sack, http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=434010, and it came vs a horrible team. Should be wreaking havoc if "Good des > good ot's"


My DE sucks, why are you bringing him into the equation
 
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Originally posted by markhehe

The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.


I saw a ton of guys in the marketplace this offseason whose agents I have never seen post on forums with some pretty bad builds. Just saying.

 
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Originally posted by markhehe
Originally posted by tdm13

O-Line players who whine can go to hell.


So can D-Line players. You will never need to fix a build if you just build correctly in the first place. The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.


You're missing the point.

DEs shouldn't have been nerfed in the first place. They were nerfed, because people bitched and bitched, and Bort finally gave in.

The only reason that DE owners have been bitching - is because it was impossible to do anything against even average OTs.
 
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I would say that a great majority of the whining that goes on is the players own fault.
But there comes a point, after numerous tests are done (some official, even!) that show prior to this season the D-Line needed to outlevel the O-Line by literally somewhere in the triple digits to achieve any sort of significant pressure, where there's not a whole lot you can do on your own to fix things.
Edited by Maddoc on Jun 18, 2009 16:19:21
 
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Originally posted by fallingmercury
Originally posted by Bukowski

No, you can make a run blocking OT, and still have plenty enough Speed and Agility.

I'm telling you, OTs are ridiculously easy to build. They're the easiest position to build on the game, still.


No position is a challenge to build.


You haven't built a single good player yet. wtf are you talking about here?
 
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Originally posted by Kirghiz
Originally posted by markhehe


The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.


I saw a ton of guys in the marketplace this offseason whose agents I have never seen post on forums with some pretty bad builds. Just saying.



not what i meant. the only time ive ever bitched on here is when bort crucified my speed back. other than that my players do well every season. a good mix of strength, agility and speed are crucial for almost every position. the guys that bitch are the ones that try to reinvent the wheel and fail when bort nerfs em.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by fallingmercury

Originally posted by Bukowski


No, you can make a run blocking OT, and still have plenty enough Speed and Agility.

I'm telling you, OTs are ridiculously easy to build. They're the easiest position to build on the game, still.


No position is a challenge to build.


You haven't built a single good player yet. wtf are you talking about here?


In my opinion, if you're not having fun building a player, there's only two reasons why:
-You're slow building
-You're doing it wrong.
 
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Originally posted by markhehe
Originally posted by Kirghiz

Originally posted by markhehe



The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.


I saw a ton of guys in the marketplace this offseason whose agents I have never seen post on forums with some pretty bad builds. Just saying.



not what i meant. the only time ive ever bitched on here is when bort crucified my speed back. other than that my players do well every season. a good mix of strength, agility and speed are crucial for almost every position. the guys that bitch are the ones that try to reinvent the wheel and fail when bort nerfs em.


so you bitched when Bort killed your HB just like DEs bitched when they were marginalized to the point where you could just toss a couple blocking sleds out on the field instead, and you're criticizing them?

Good show
 
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bort will NEVER stop messing with ur players. crying wont help
 
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Originally posted by markhehe
the only time ive ever bitched on here is when bort crucified my speed back


Sorry, you already gave up your right to that bullshit holier than thou attitude.
Edited by Maddoc on Jun 18, 2009 16:25:19
Edited by Maddoc on Jun 18, 2009 16:25:01
 
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Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by markhehe

Originally posted by Kirghiz


Originally posted by markhehe




The guys you never see posting here have always had good players.


I saw a ton of guys in the marketplace this offseason whose agents I have never seen post on forums with some pretty bad builds. Just saying.



not what i meant. the only time ive ever bitched on here is when bort crucified my speed back. other than that my players do well every season. a good mix of strength, agility and speed are crucial for almost every position. the guys that bitch are the ones that try to reinvent the wheel and fail when bort nerfs em.


so you bitched when Bort killed your HB just like DEs bitched when they were marginalized to the point where you could just toss a couple blocking sleds out on the field instead, and you're criticizing them?

Good show


yep, because my back was built correctly. the guys that whine have 1 attribute to the max, like speed or agility, then get pissed when he doesnt "work" anymore.
 
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