I'm pretty sure bort made the "15 = max" comment back when advanced equipment pieces were just stuck with +1 SA (as in it didn't get another +1 ever other level). So one can only assume, that all equipment pieces will be helpful, though I donno how much...
Forum > Goal Line Blitz > SAs - 10 + custom + equip, can we confirm it makes a difference to get above 10?
division26
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we cant prove that level 6 is any better than level 4... thats not the issue
we need Bort to tell us
we need Bort to tell us
Jack Del Rio
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You all realize Bort just picked 15 as a random example, and it by no means represents the absolute cap for SAs?
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Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by phthalatemagic
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Nixx
Originally posted by Bort
SA at 11 works fine. It's currently just impossible to get it higher, since you can only get a natural 10, and a +1 from your custom equipment.
The new equipment stuff will allow you to get some more +1's, though, so you could theoretically get up to 15.
Some SAs would be very powerful at 15, heh. I'm sure it'll take at least a few seasons to get it upgraded to that though, right?
Yeah they'd be pretty good, but not a huge ton better than 11 really, based on the way that most of them work. Yes it would take a while to get something to lv 15, not to mention all the SP's you have to spend to get to lv 10 naturally!
But there is a difference between 11 and 15? Or 11 and 10 for that matter? Sorry if I missed it, but I never saw you confirm.
Yes there is a difference.
Originally posted by phthalatemagic
Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Nixx
Originally posted by Bort
SA at 11 works fine. It's currently just impossible to get it higher, since you can only get a natural 10, and a +1 from your custom equipment.
The new equipment stuff will allow you to get some more +1's, though, so you could theoretically get up to 15.
Some SAs would be very powerful at 15, heh. I'm sure it'll take at least a few seasons to get it upgraded to that though, right?
Yeah they'd be pretty good, but not a huge ton better than 11 really, based on the way that most of them work. Yes it would take a while to get something to lv 15, not to mention all the SP's you have to spend to get to lv 10 naturally!
But there is a difference between 11 and 15? Or 11 and 10 for that matter? Sorry if I missed it, but I never saw you confirm.
Yes there is a difference.
UNL Blackshirts
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Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
panther17
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Originally posted by Second Goalie
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Originally posted by Bort
SA at 11 works fine. It's currently just impossible to get it higher, since you can only get a natural 10, and a +1 from your custom equipment.
The new equipment stuff will allow you to get some more +1's, though, so you could theoretically get up to 15.
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Originally posted by Bort
SA at 11 works fine. It's currently just impossible to get it higher, since you can only get a natural 10, and a +1 from your custom equipment.
The new equipment stuff will allow you to get some more +1's, though, so you could theoretically get up to 15.
Last edited Jan 29, 2009 11:50:52
Zurai
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Originally posted by panther17
Originally posted by Second Goalie
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
Check the fucking date on his post. At the time he posted, you couldn't have more than +5 SA from gear because SAs didn't upgrade. He added that later.
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From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Way more than a +19. Over 10 seasons you can get 160 bonus tokens, which is 20 AE upgrades, which is +6 on 2 pieces of gear and +4 on 2 others. That gives us +4 SA, +4 SA, +3 SA, +3 SA, then +1 SA from custom equipment, for a grand total of 25. Of course, that's not considering the time and training it takes to get 4 pieces with the same SA, but I doubt players will be forced to retire after 10 seasons, either, so there's extra time.
Originally posted by Second Goalie
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
Check the fucking date on his post. At the time he posted, you couldn't have more than +5 SA from gear because SAs didn't upgrade. He added that later.
Originally posted by
From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Way more than a +19. Over 10 seasons you can get 160 bonus tokens, which is 20 AE upgrades, which is +6 on 2 pieces of gear and +4 on 2 others. That gives us +4 SA, +4 SA, +3 SA, +3 SA, then +1 SA from custom equipment, for a grand total of 25. Of course, that's not considering the time and training it takes to get 4 pieces with the same SA, but I doubt players will be forced to retire after 10 seasons, either, so there's extra time.
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Some returner should try and get a 25 in return spec. Maybe that's the amount you need to not run directly into the first special teams coverage guy 
panther17
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Originally posted by Zurai
Originally posted by panther17
Originally posted by Second Goalie
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
Check the fucking date on his post. At the time he posted, you couldn't have more than +5 SA from gear because SAs didn't upgrade. He added that later.
Originally posted by
From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Way more than a +19. Over 10 seasons you can get 160 bonus tokens, which is 20 AE upgrades, which is +6 on 2 pieces of gear and +4 on 2 others. That gives us +4 SA, +4 SA, +3 SA, +3 SA, then +1 SA from custom equipment, for a grand total of 25. Of course, that's not considering the time and training it takes to get 4 pieces with the same SA, but I doubt players will be forced to retire after 10 seasons, either, so there's extra time.
Um, whats with the hostility? The guy said Bort gave the answer on the first page and I told him his answer is not correct for what people are asking? And I'm pretty sure SA did upgrade right away and he had it at that they upgraded every upgrade but changed it to every other upgrade.
And yes I know you could have way more then a +19. I was just giving an example of 2 AE showing how Bort's answer was not correct for what was being asked.
Originally posted by panther17
Originally posted by Second Goalie
Bort answers on Page 1 and people still keep asking. That is the problem with GLB, not the sim or AI.
His answer is wrong. Theoretically you can have more then 15
Check the fucking date on his post. At the time he posted, you couldn't have more than +5 SA from gear because SAs didn't upgrade. He added that later.
Originally posted by
From 2 AE you can have +8 SA, +1 from custom. 10 natural. Although his statements most likely mean you can possibly get a +19 in a SA.
Way more than a +19. Over 10 seasons you can get 160 bonus tokens, which is 20 AE upgrades, which is +6 on 2 pieces of gear and +4 on 2 others. That gives us +4 SA, +4 SA, +3 SA, +3 SA, then +1 SA from custom equipment, for a grand total of 25. Of course, that's not considering the time and training it takes to get 4 pieces with the same SA, but I doubt players will be forced to retire after 10 seasons, either, so there's extra time.
Um, whats with the hostility? The guy said Bort gave the answer on the first page and I told him his answer is not correct for what people are asking? And I'm pretty sure SA did upgrade right away and he had it at that they upgraded every upgrade but changed it to every other upgrade.
And yes I know you could have way more then a +19. I was just giving an example of 2 AE showing how Bort's answer was not correct for what was being asked.
division26
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Originally posted by panther17
And yes I know you could have way more then a +19. I was just giving an example of 2 AE showing how Bort's answer was not correct for what was being asked.
Seriously... it's not a hard question... but it hasn't been answered. I don't know why other peeps are having difficulty seeing that.
And yes I know you could have way more then a +19. I was just giving an example of 2 AE showing how Bort's answer was not correct for what was being asked.
Seriously... it's not a hard question... but it hasn't been answered. I don't know why other peeps are having difficulty seeing that.
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Originally posted by division26
this is the key question that simply must be answered
a simple "yes > 15 is helpful" or "no > 15 provides no benefit" or "yes, but > provides diminishing returns" would be great...
No, no it's not that key, and "must be answered" is way overstating the case. This is a nitpick of a question - there is no reason currently to believe that SAs would not continue to scale past 15 just as they continue to scale past 10. You can decide in your mind that there's still some doubt in the matter, but that doesn't make it some key question that everyone must have the answer to right away.
this is the key question that simply must be answered
a simple "yes > 15 is helpful" or "no > 15 provides no benefit" or "yes, but > provides diminishing returns" would be great...
No, no it's not that key, and "must be answered" is way overstating the case. This is a nitpick of a question - there is no reason currently to believe that SAs would not continue to scale past 15 just as they continue to scale past 10. You can decide in your mind that there's still some doubt in the matter, but that doesn't make it some key question that everyone must have the answer to right away.
division26
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many peeps around here have said that SA > 15 are WORTHLESS...
i can only presume they have a reason above and beyond Bort's pre-AE example... but really... how hard would this be to clear up?
and yes it "must be answered", otherwise there are SPs going to absolute waste
i can only presume they have a reason above and beyond Bort's pre-AE example... but really... how hard would this be to clear up?
and yes it "must be answered", otherwise there are SPs going to absolute waste
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It's probably something not worth doing any way. It's not something that needs checked right away either. It most likely would go over +15 but you never know. Could be valuable information to know though for teams that are on a tight budget and can't afford to re-do equipment if you can't have over 15.
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