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Originally posted by Bort
Have been working more with passing lately, as rushing doesn't really seem to be underpowered, so haven't really given that much thought lately. Interesting idea, though. I'll give it some thought. Elusive guys could maybe hurdle, or wriggle out of tackles, or something. Spin uses agility to determine its success rate, but it's really the only one.

That last sentence was very interesting. I know that I have been excited almost giddy when I see spin actually work in the sims. Even if it is for the other team. I really think many agents with HBs dream of making a Barry Sanders type HB.

Have you ever considered HBs reversing field at some point? It might become overpowered but man it would be exciting to see.

Originally posted by thehazyone
Funny, this was exactly what I said yesterday and every one gave me complete shit.

were getting tired hazy!
13 seasons of constant confusion over changes made/were changes made/why were changes made/why do you hate elusives/ETC will do that to ya

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Bukowski

But it is a break tackle, which is what Bort just posted.

You will never see Spin in the play-by-play, unless you're able to break the tackle.

Agility makes it activate, but you need other things to make it successful.

That is true. However, you might still see the start of the spin animation as you are tackled.

It's special, however, in that agility is the main modifier, as opposed to strength (like Power Thru)

Right, you can see failed Spin attempts in the play-by-play all the time, but they're not listed, because the tackle wasn't broken.

Originally posted by Bort
Except if he has 300 vision like that bugged mentor guy. Some of the paths available when the player can see the entire field at once are pretty crazy.

What about the whole "run into the defender" thing we were talking about on the test server? : /

And I think the Mentor bugged guys had confidence working for them more than vision...the vision caused them to run in circles and straight at defenders, while confidence made everybody unable to tackle them.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Reggie Bush

So, they should fumble all the time?

I keed, I keed.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Originally posted by David Stern

Originally posted by Deathblade


The only really valid point is the terrible HB pathing when you get high vision on elusive.

The rest is very debatable.

I agree, Barry sanders break tackles exactly like earl Campbell.

Pretty much this. Go back to the Elusive thread and look at the Metcalf links I posted. His break tackle ability was nothing to do with strength... And so much more to do with Speed/Agility and Jumping. And one could easily argue that a back needs vision to even execute a Spin or Juke/Fake move in general as you need to see someone coming at you - about ready to lay the wood, and then you execute the move fake move to get away.

Unfortunately, players built like Eric Metcalf or Reggie Bush get a big FU.

Yea, Sanders and Metcalf would break tackles because they made guys get off balance or lose their footing while trying to tackle them.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Deathblade

The only really valid point is the terrible HB pathing when you get high vision on elusive.

The rest is very debatable.

Except if he has 300 vision like that bugged mentor guy. Some of the paths available when the player can see the entire field at once are pretty crazy.


Maybe you should just enhance the overall effects of vision for offensive players? It seems like vision is not very valuable for offense currently.

Originally posted by tautology

Originally posted by Bort

This thread now has nothing to do with Spin.



On that topic (or nearly ), someone brought up a good notion the other day:

Often times a HB will execute a fake, but then make no effort to avoid the dot he just faked...often making the fake far less effective.

It seems like with decent vision a HB could cut a bit which would accentuate the power of the fake he just threw.

The same applies to pancaked blockers actually...sometimes a dot will run right over them intead of steering just a bit clear (even on evasive settings).

It seems like this might be a good improvement.

Also, HB pathing doesn't seem to allow great cutbacks very often...might be a bigger can of worms.



This needs a long look Bort, imo: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3629074

Also Bort, does spin's success rate have to do with running style? I have seen my more powerful backs have a lot more success with spin and use spin more often than my elusive despite them being on power running style? Shouldn't spin if it uses agility be more effective on elusive style?

Yeah, it definitely deserves a long look.

Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
Pretty much this. Go back to the Elusive thread and look at the Metcalf links I posted. His break tackle ability was nothing to do with strength... And so much more to do with Speed/Agility and Jumping. And one could easily argue that a back needs vision to even execute a Spin or Juke/Fake move in general as you need to see someone coming at you - about ready to lay the wood, and then you execute the move fake move to get away.

Unfortunately, players built like Eric Metcalf or Reggie Bush get a big FU.

It has nothing to do with how they break tackles...but more to do with, if faster, more agile backs break as many tackles as powerbacks do, whats the point in a powerback? Not to mention that they would completely rape face in the sim.

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by Deathblade


The only really valid point is the terrible HB pathing when you get high vision on elusive.

The rest is very debatable.

Except if he has 300 vision like that bugged mentor guy. Some of the paths available when the player can see the entire field at once are pretty crazy.


Maybe you should just enhance the overall effects of vision for offensive players? It seems like vision is not very valuable for offense currently.



I think he would need to fine tune the effect of vision for offensive players before doing that tbh. And vision seems OPed for linemen since they seem rarely miss a blocking roll now a days.

Originally posted by AngryDragon
Have you ever considered HBs reversing field at some point? It might become overpowered but man it would be exciting to see.
I wish I had the replay at hand, but I swear that I've seen it happen. A HB was running to the left, spun out of a tackle attempt by the ROLB, and used that momentum to swing back towards open space in the middle of the field.


Originally posted by jrry32
Also Bort, does spin's success rate have to do with running style? I have seen my more powerful backs have a lot more success with spin and use spin more often than my elusive despite them being on power running style? Shouldn't spin if it uses agility be more effective on elusive style?
I've seen Spin fire very often for guys that I know were on Elusive. I don't think it matters, but Bort would obviously be the only one to say for sure.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I wish I had the replay at hand, but I swear that I've seen it happen. A HB was running to the left, spun out of a tackle attempt by the ROLB, and used that momentum to swing back towards open space in the middle of the field.


Yeah, spin actually causes cutbacks occasionally.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Sik Wit It

I applied for a mod position and never heard back.
It's because of your opposition to slow-building. You have been black-listed.


It's what Bort wants tbh

I know you were joking, but I would never try to force an idea on the general GLB public if it's unpopular, which is why I stopped trying to argue for that. I know when not to push any father.